Electric cars - Reeves to hit drivers with pay-per-mile tax

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Todays telegraph. Can imagine there will be howls of protest to this one.

Rachel Reeves to hit drivers with pay-per-mile tax in Budget

Stunned that you can't see that using fuel is the same as taxing by mile.

She said no-one is protected. There you go. I’ve already been hammered since this government has come in. Detest the woman and Labour.

Indeed. My car does about 20mpg. So I’m already paying more fuel tax per mile than most. (And £600 road tax per year.)

This. The people going to work probably on higher tax rate, already paying a shed load.

You need to get a Corsa 😂

It would be if the cost of that tax thru fuel duties was spread over the mileage that is done.

Some cars will do more miles per gallon than others - so the rate varies.

Clearly, physics is beyond you. A flat rate fuel tax is not equitably spread over "a mile" for any car - especially when some can and do go further.

JFC. Its like talking to Rachel Lying Reeves. 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

I have had an electric car for 10 years.
I have no particular issue with paying by mile. That fits with the extra tax on petrol.
What I object to is they expect you to estimate your mileage at the beginning of the year. Pay all that tax in a lump sum. Then if you don't use it all they don't refund the difference but credit it to you for future years (what if you sell your car?). At least the tax on fuel happens as you use it not all in one go.

Unfortunately this was always lurking in the background. Fuel duty raises 24 billion. As that falls with electric take up something was going to happen. Really it's road pricing by stealth. And you know that any party winning the next election won't repeal it.

This is quite worrying for us. DH is a taxi driver who does regular airport runs (SW England - London) and is also training to be a driving instructor. He has a hybrid vehicle. The report I read says that hybrids are next but at a slightly lower rate than EV's. There has to be some sort of exemption for jobs like this, it's insane.

I was thinking about going electric. Not going to bother now or at least until I know more. I have fairly long commute to my job so I was looking at electric to reduce running costs.

They give with one hand then take with both

We already pay more tax on the car for the first 5 years thanks to her!

My DDs 12 yo Polo is £280 whats your point??

£20 tax is for very low emission vehicles registered before spring 2017, very few qualify.

PPM is never ever going to happen....

We are far more likely to see tolls on Motorways, thats next weeks Tory scare story btw.

Well if you want to ignore my monthly payment for solar then yes, no cost at all 🙃 The reduction in tax is/was supposed to support reduction in emissions

The government chop and change their priorities more often than I change my socks. Now we see hypocrite Kier at COP30...

Yep. I wouldn't mind if the condition of the roads actually improves. But call me cynical...

Has it though, really? Let's assume your car does 300 miles per charge, thats 26 charges. 160/26 is just over 6, so it's costing you £6 to charge from nothing to full? If it's that cheap, you've either paid for solar panels and a battery, you're charging off someone else's electricity or you own national grid because electricity isn't that cheap.

She hasn’t finally realised that. It’s always been known by government, and most EV owners, that a pay per mile tax would need to come at some. She has decided that now is the time.

The total tax paid by EV drivers will still be very little compared to the taxes on petrol.

I recently got a second hand electric car. To be honest second hand ones are now the same price ( in lots of cases ) as petrol and diesel cars. I switched to electric because I needed a new car and also it’s much cheaper than running a petrol or diesel cars for the 60 odd miles a day I do for work.

Most electric cars barely do 200 miles so you have to accept the range isn’t as good as a diesel car.

But when the pay per miles comes in i’ll be no better off really. So I may aswell go back to running a polluting diesel and not worry about charging my car.

Also how do they expect people to estimate their mileage and then pay it in one lump sum? This will also I suspect get dodgy people to do ‘clocking ‘ like they did in the old days.

If your car can go further on a gallon of fuel then it is more efficient/enviromentally friendly. So fuel duty is a tax based on a combination of mileage and environmental damage. So in that respect it’s quite a fair tax.

No not the same as pay per mile though.

Exactly what I was thinking. These people that say how cheap it is to charge an EV don’t always mention how they’ve spent thousands on solar panels and a battery!

Most people can’t afford solar panels or a battery - you also have to consider how long you plan on living at your property to get your money back .

People who say they don’t mind paying per mile who own electric cars. Apart from you wanting to do your bit for the planet ( I don’t think it’ll even touch the sides anyway ) what’s the incentive now ? By the time you charge your cars and pay per miles you’re barely better off than a combustion engine.

And a combust engine doesn’t have to worry about range. Most electric cars barely do 200 miles , its actually more like 170 in real terms.

So I do 15000 a year I may as well go back to buying a second hand diesel in 2028.

Im a prison officer. I travel 30 miles a day each way. I work shifts meaning I work Xmas day , Boxing Day. I sometimes start at 7am and finish at 9pm.

My prison is rural. The nearest trail station from there is 5 miles away. How would I get to work from a train station ? My nearest rail station is 3 miles away. How would I get there?

Buses don’t run until after 6 am where I am and the first trains would make me late for work.

I have to drive.

Indeed. Anyone who bought an EV and didn’t expect any taxes on it in future is very naive.

Exactly this! Which is why I’ll go back to a diesel car when it comes in !

My husband’s going to return to petrol or hybrid next year

This tax impacts hybrid too.