Electric cars - Reeves to hit drivers with pay-per-mile tax

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Todays telegraph. Can imagine there will be howls of protest to this one.

Rachel Reeves to hit drivers with pay-per-mile tax in Budget

as someone else pointed out it’ll start with EV then filter to everyone if this the track they’re going down. Going to be a nightmare for those of us who need a car to do our jobs, I’m a community nurse covering a large rural area, many of my colleagues in home caring also cover this area. I’ve just switched to a mild hybrid and had thought about a full EV but no driveway or any way of home charging unfortunately but I’d definitely be put off now

But how is it different from the tax on petrol and diesel that drivers of non-electric cars have to pay every time they fill up the tank? That tax is a bit like a per-mile tax, as the more fuel you use, the more tax you pay.

If, as is the intention, all petrol and diesel vehicles are phased out in favour of electric ones, how else would the government make up for the deficit in tax receipts when nobody is buying petrol or diesel any more?

I put nothing past this corrupt Govt and its fuckwit lying "Chance"llor.

Labour since the 1980s have vied for taxing motorists with pay per mile wet dreams.

Reeves is now carrying it out - and if it comes to pass, ALL drivers will be hit with pay per mile charges.

Why shouldn't we pay per mile. Petrol and diesel already has a duty , the more miles you do the more you pay. In what way is it corrupt?

Road tax is also charged on ICE so no differential for EV owners.

If (as floated) Reeves removes the 5% VAT from electricity bills, then the differential between EV consumption taxation rate and ICE consumption taxation rate (more than a third of the cost of petrol is tax) gets even wider.

Apparently it's going to be more expensive to run an EV car than a petrol car in the UK after the Budget.

It's hard to believe any Chancellor can be this incompetent

As a petrol driver, why the fuck should I or anyone for that matter, have to pay to drive per mile when we are already taxed on vehicle purchase, VED AND fuel?

Where the fuck is that money going?

Certainly not on the bastard potholed roads of this failing nation, thats for sure.

You wanna pay per mile - good for you. A great many people will disagree with you on that.

I think if someone bought one believing they wouldn’t be taxed then they didn’t really think it through. Obviously as more electric cars replace others, tax from those will fall and will have to be made up somewhere. They were never going to be some wonderful tax free option

I have no issue with this tax but I don’t think it’s hypocritical to be annoyed at this tax but fine with the VAT on private schools. They are completely different issues. It’s not reasonable to say that because someone is fine with VAT on private schools, or fine with this electric car tax, they are not allowed to disagree with some other potential future tax on a completely different thing.

You’re fine with this tax - if next week a tax is introduced that you don’t like, it wouldn’t be reasonable for someone to say “oh but you were fine with the EV tax!!”

And just like that, they have killed the EV market.

Well done!

Nobody is going to want one now.

Also, who is going to check the data?

How will the system be run?

What will it cost?

What protections are in place?

@ShesTheAlbatrossbut people are always unhappy with taxes that directly affect them and fine with the ones they perceive other ‘richer’ people have to pay. I mean if you can afford an electric vehicle (they’re not cheap) you should be able to pay this tax.
I’ve currently no skin in the game here as our car was bloody well nicked off our drive a week ago so I’m carless 😩.
However unfortunately the tax take needs to increase to pay for things we all want - schools, NHS etc. the actual reality is, I think, the basic rate of tax will have to increase. Tinkering around the sides isn’t going to help.

Should this come in I still think it will be several years off and I think pp are right that it will eventually lead to all cars paying per mile.

For the record though I think Reeves is incompetent and a liar.

I think it makes sense as petrol and diesel cars pay duty on fuel where EV's don't. But it's going to put people off buying electric.

I would rather have my petrol car anyway, we don't have parking and so would have to charge at charging points. Which is going to be awkward, take time and cost more.

Hopefully no one will buy electric cars and the ban on selling petrol cars will be delayed. Trying to save the planet by forcing people to have expensive EV cars in the UK is pointless anyway when China are building coal power plants at a rate of knots.

Lovely. So those of us trying to reduce emissions by having solar and EV end up with reduced VAT on electricity - useless when I use the power of the sun 🫠 And additional tax on my car. It already costs more per mile to charge an EV at a station than it does to fill an ICE car

My commute is 200 miles.

I disagree that taxes need to increase, with no evidence of efficiency improvements in any publicly funded service. Let's just keep giving them more money to waste 👏

Well you fucking won't I assume, you will either pay per mile or pay by the fuel you use , not both.
The money goes towards a country with a increasingly older population and one that has younger people having less children. It's something we will have to get used to , unless there is an answer to the demographic problem that as yet no body has solved .

My DH has an EV and has declared he's selling it and going back to petrol if she brings this in - even though there is tax on fuel it's just another thing that's pissed him off!.

I'm wondering how they will implement this, I've read suggestions on MOT mileage, but that won't work for new cars, or suggestions of requiring a black box - and what happens if you go drive abroad, how do you discount that mileage??

It says “could” not will.

I’ve got an EV and this would not bother me at all. We’ve had it a year, done just over 8000 miles and the charging has cost me £160. If I have to add on £240 as a pay per mile, it’s still a huge saving on my previous diesel car.

Nothing is definitely happening. It’s all rumour, speculation & testing the water

Electric cars are massive and heavy. Their tax should contribute to road repairs.

Long term EV owner here
while I don’t like it it was inevitable that eventually we’d be subject to a separate tax

I’ll reserve judgement until I know how much I need to pay

Of course it'll be extended to non electric cars. It'll prove a useful way of getting people out of them and on to electric.

ICE drivers pay fuel duty, i assume thats ok with you?

Why should EV drivers not pay taxes that every other car driver pays?

Esp considering they "can" be far heavier and cause more damage to roads, big SUV style cars drink more fuel, pay more tax.

Seems a very sensible policy to me.

I am very pissed off. I just st ordered an electric car for collection in January now hear she's going to tax that too. Dreadful government who lied to the electorate and will be voted out at next election hopefully for a generation.

Anyone with any sense would realise this was going to happen. losing all that yearly car tax revenue, wasn’t going to be sustainable forever.

And we bought an EV car in March and am very happy to pay per mile.