For all the disabled people who cannot work to the standard of a non-disabled, what would you rather happen to them?

[KeenTaupeDog]

1. work in a job with RAs like access to specialist software, less time but less pay, extra time to finish exams
2. no RAs in their jobs, they have to live off benefits instead
3. no benefits for them, live off charity and family/friends

Oh you've bamboozled all of us with your logic there OP 😂

No 1 of course. And I’d like to see all the funds and efforts devoted to EDI initiatives focus in the main on enabling the disabled and ND to work successfully.

Well, what do you want to happen to anyone who can't work to the standard of anyone else?

I think if someone has a disability and can benefit from a reasonable adjustment, it should be offered (and as I understand it, this is the law at the moment). It's much better to have people contributing and working than not, both for them and for society as a whole.

If someone cannot work and needs support, they should be supported by the state, because that is what a civilized country ought to do.

I don't even know how to approach the 'life off charity' nonsense.

'What would you rather happen to them'

Well, first of all I imagine it all depends on what each individual thinks disabled means.

In a wheelchair, loss of a limb, blind, schizophrenic, those suffering from late stage cancer or MN, profoundly deaf -all these things would be accepted as disabled by everybody and I personally think those people-if unable to work-should be given the average wage by the state.

Feeling anxious, PDA, ADHD----a much more grey area.

There is disabled and then there is disabled-not all are equal and it is the refusal to accept this that leads to a finite pot of resources being stretched ever thinner.

“What would you rather happen to them?”
You might as well say lets euthanise them instead!

And, you know, this is always going to be a sliding scale anyway, isn't it? If you look at tons of manual workers, you cannot compare what a strapping lad aged 24 is capable of doing, with what a bloke in his early 60s is doing, let alone a woman in her 60s. It's not just a question of diagnosed disability. People have different levels of aptitude and physical capability shifts over the life course.

And plenty of people with disabilities don't need adjustments, and are highly successful in the area they've ended up in. Can we not talk as if disability is an automatic burden on society, maybe?

Well it's not like it's a new idea.

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For all the disabled people who cannot work to the standard of a non-disabled, what would you rather happen to them?

Well, now, that all depends. For example, I wouldn’t want a neurosurgeon who, due to disability, can’t work to the same standard as non-disabled peers. However, I’m all in favour of a retail worker who needs a few extra unpaid breaks or a vision limited person working in a data processing job with speech software and a braille keyboard. I’m not in favour of a nurse, who is blind, dispensing meds in a hospital ward though.

So, in favour of No1 as long as reasonable adjustments CAN be made. That’s where it often falls to shit though as there are many jobs where they realistically can’t and then disabled people call foul and discrimination.

What kind of question is that

1. Therapy for the non disabled to address their feelings of rage at RD for others.

Ask labour. Everyone wanted the evil tories out for the support of disabled people. And well here you are.

1 where possible, with the recognition that 2 will be essential for some individuals.

However, I would also like to see better support for companies that employ disabled staff. The current Access to Work scheme isn't functioning as well as it should.

The disability/benefits/work/RA topic just reminds me now of the Barbie film speech about being a woman and all the contradictions within that (be thin but not too thin etc etc).
Basically don’t be too disabled that you can’t work but if you need RA make sure you understand that’s not fair on people without a disability but also the fraud rate for PIP is low but equally everyone will still judge you etc etc etc

I did say ppl who are disabled and also unable to work to the same standards as non disabled

We have a woman at our place who has a full time carer who comes to work with her every day.
She’s in a very specialist wheelchair and a toilet was specially adapted for her. She has very little movement and uses some software that helps her do her job.
Honestly, if she can work full time, I think anyone can.

I don't think you actually thought that one through, did you ?

Here we go. It really does not matter what you think, tbh. Good for the Woman that you have described, and that she is able to have her carer at work with her. Her circumstances, are hers alone, though. I see no point in comparing people's differing circumstances.

Rather than looking at the "burden" which some disabled people are perceived to impose upon society we should be looking at the barriers which society puts up to disadvantage disabled people and work at removing them.

Just a few examples📧

Older buildings with only stair/step access
Requiring everyone to go "back to the office"
Inflexibility of working hours
The design of public transport
Hospital parking

Yes, I replied making the point that the distinction you are drawing - between 'the disabled' and 'non disabled' isn't helpful. It's the sort of distinction people make when they primarily want to stigmatize disabilities rather than to think what's best for society and for the individuals in it. IMHO.

Sorry but what does "RA" mean?

FFS I rest my case

Reasonable adjustments

What's "RD" ?
There's too much jargon in this thread.