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Labour isn't working - Thread 17

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TheNuthatch · 05/11/2025 08:00

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government. 💙

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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CandidLurker · 06/11/2025 09:46

upseedaisee · 06/11/2025 09:36

That's me to a T. I've mentioned before, as soon as Labour got in, I raided Last pension pots for what I could tax free then emptied them this april. Sadly I lost it all in the great Canoe accident of September 2025. 😉
I will not give this government a penny more than absolutely necessary. As it is, I will be paying tax on my £13,000 a year pensions from next April. I'm bracing myself for a NICs bill.

I’ve been following more or less the same strategy

Rexinasaurus · 06/11/2025 09:53

LupaMoonhowl · 06/11/2025 08:57

Was horrified today to see on Facebook someone I know -an American who lives in London,and intends to remain here permanently, lauding the election in NY and other democratic wins - he has the luxury of not having to live there. Pure hypocrisy.
Ironically he has asked me out for a date but I postponed -definitely dodged a bullet there!!

Might be interesting to date, for ethnographic purposes.. just to hear directly how these people think. Their NPC answers to any questions. It’s fascinating. Enraging. Idiotic - extremely short sighted. But they just don’t see it. Socialism is a weird cult-like phenomenon.

Go on - take one for the team and feed back? 😂👀

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Rexinasaurus · 06/11/2025 09:58

CandidLurker · 06/11/2025 09:46

I’ve been following more or less the same strategy

Same here. As much as we can anyway.

EasternStandard · 06/11/2025 09:59

Rexinasaurus · 06/11/2025 09:54

So bad

CaveMum · 06/11/2025 10:04

EmpressoftheMundane · 06/11/2025 08:05

Just listening to latest TRIM podcast. Jim O’Neil is just saying that PIP is being gamed with over 1 million people on four forms of it thereby bringing in more than someone on national minimum wage.

I’m just listening to this now, it’s well worth checking out if anyone has the time.

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-rest-is-money/id1703785141?i=1000735479310

222. The Four Budget Priorities For Rachel Reeves

222. The Four Budget Priorities For Rachel Reeves

Podcast Episode · The Rest Is Money · 06/11/2025 · 34m

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/222-the-four-budget-priorities-for-rachel-reeves/id1703785141?i=1000735479310

Rexinasaurus · 06/11/2025 10:14

CaveMum · 06/11/2025 10:04

I’m just listening to this now, it’s well worth checking out if anyone has the time.

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-rest-is-money/id1703785141?i=1000735479310

Honestly I can’t listen to or read any more guess work (educated / informed guesses or not). I’m avoiding it all until the day. When I will watch live. Then go ballistic, I expect.

This thread will be a record breaking thread after the budget, no doubt 😂. @TheNuthatch hope you’re prepared 😆

TheNuthatch · 06/11/2025 10:15

Rexinasaurus · 06/11/2025 10:14

Honestly I can’t listen to or read any more guess work (educated / informed guesses or not). I’m avoiding it all until the day. When I will watch live. Then go ballistic, I expect.

This thread will be a record breaking thread after the budget, no doubt 😂. @TheNuthatch hope you’re prepared 😆

😂😂

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IDareSay · 06/11/2025 10:17

CaveMum · 06/11/2025 10:04

I’m just listening to this now, it’s well worth checking out if anyone has the time.

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-rest-is-money/id1703785141?i=1000735479310

I would, but just as I refuse to give the BBC a penny of my money I feel the same about Gary Lineker.

Frankenchino · 06/11/2025 10:21

If Labour don’t get in - it’ll be Reform?
My child has additional needs. It’s hard enough as it is. But if Reform get in? I’ll be home schooling, losing my job.
He faces enough discrimination already, this will be amplified. He’s a clever, quiet boy who is happy and is never unkind to anyone. I think he’ll be destroyed - and what happens when I’m not around to support him anymore?

EmeraldRoulette · 06/11/2025 10:24

Rivalled · 06/11/2025 08:16

I don’t think it is fraud to a large degree at root, we've got a lot of working aged people who genuinely believe they’re incapable of meeting the challenges of holding down a job. that’s the problem, we’ve got to change that perception and they need to learn they can work and it’ll be ok.

it’s a tough challenge.

I was thinking about this today too

Probably many on the board, know me well enough by now to know my history of anxiety, depression etc

I actually talked to a doctor at one point who said what a struggle it was for them knowing the risks if a patient doesn't feel they're getting enough help, but also feeling that the help is going in a direction that doesn't benefit the patient. If you encourage that belief that someone can't do stuff, with a young adult especially, are you condemning them to a life where they have no belief in themselves to do ordinary things?

My best friend has seen me over more than two decades, with what was often a massive struggle just going to work. She made the observation that everything in our culture being so incredibly negative would have made things different for me. You could argue that in my age group, we were surrounded by the idea that anxiety and depression makes you a weak person - I disagree, but it depends if you know about Churchill problems and other peoples problems I guess.

The culture of constantly talking about it isn't helping. Anigail Shrier has written a very good book on this, but that's mostly about schoolkids.

The trouble is, I don't know how as a society we can wind that back.

YouTube suggested some nonsense to me today about storing trauma in the psoas. By all means give your psoas muscles a good stretch! But the idea that you could be storing trauma in there - what?!

To cap off my "random crazy points of the day" I actually know a woman who does spiritual healing. Yes, really! She doesn't charge - she has a very corporate day job!

Anyway, she is increasingly finding that people approach her asking for healing, but what they actually need is a doctor. She always has a long phone conversation with them before agreeing to see them. She she said some people haven't even thought about going to see the doctor for their shoulder pain or whatever. They make their initial enquiry being quite convinced that some kind of normal life upset, reframed as trauma, is presenting itself in the form of pain.

World's gone mad!

DrPrunesqualer · 06/11/2025 10:25

CaveMum · 06/11/2025 10:04

I’m just listening to this now, it’s well worth checking out if anyone has the time.

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-rest-is-money/id1703785141?i=1000735479310

@EmpressoftheMundane
full time on minimum wage is a salary of £22,222 !

thanks for the link Cavemum

EmeraldRoulette · 06/11/2025 10:34

How can someone be on four forms of PIP? I don't get it.

PIP is the most recent thing the GP encouraged me to apply for.

Rivalled · 06/11/2025 10:39

@EmeraldRoulette agree - I find talking in any large group brings on panic these days, it’s always been an issue but worsening - start talking, I go bright red, voice starts quavering, trails off and I sweat like a pig. But I do it, because avoiding it won’t get better and I need to do it for work.

I wonder how many young adults are encouraged to push through this stuff - yes I make a bit of a dick of myself initially in meetings and it’s embarrassing, yes often have nightmares about it, but the sky doesn’t fall in.

realising the sky doesn’t fall in if you get stressed or panic or make a dick of yourself in public and carry on is such a key life skill.

a lot of the mental health stuff out there leans towards adjustments and not doing things that you do actually need to be able to do from time to time.

Rivalled · 06/11/2025 10:41

But I know, I don’t really get it. I would say push through it because I can. We do need to reframe a lot of the support more positively though.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 06/11/2025 10:48

Rivalled · 06/11/2025 08:09

The threads aside with the examples of people who really need disability who feel personally attacked, the stats from 2019 on show a problem of that size and growing of young working aged adults not working - that trend has to be turned around for all of our sakes including the claimers who’ve been let down by many systems themselves.

I'm so tired of the narrative that there is no fraud there.

Of course many claimants are genuine, but there fraud and for some reason that's not being addressed.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 06/11/2025 10:50

TwistyTurnip · 06/11/2025 08:10

It’s going to be a grim Christmas for retailers this year thanks to this Government. Millions of people will been tightening their belts when Reeves ups their taxes next month, and businesses have already been hammered by the increased employers NI rate she imposed on them. She talks about driving growth and the economy, but then she goes and imposes changes that achieve the exact opposite.

Add to that the VAT which has been pushing tourists to Paris and Rome.

It is grim and it will get worse.

SpaceRaccoon · 06/11/2025 10:51

Full disclosure, I have some chronic health issues and anxiety too, since we're being open about it. A few years ago I was really unwell and not able to work, but DH just supported me. I now work from home and I can't tell you all how much better I've felt psycologically since being able to work again.

I have a very good friend who hasn't worked for years, he gets a variety of benefits (and he does also have health issues, not denying that), and he is utterly bored, miserable and lonely.

Edited to add - I have a horror of being beholden to the state and allowing them to meddle with me. The thought of allowing the state that level of intrusion into my life, medical history and finances horrifies me.
I appreciate that some people don't have a choice of course.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 06/11/2025 10:52

EmpressoftheMundane · 06/11/2025 08:53

So a sort of mass psychosis.

An epidemic of entitlement.

Rivalled · 06/11/2025 10:57

@SpaceRaccoon agree - my d sis claims UC and she absolutely lives in fear of breaking the rules with it.

and yes @ChardonnaysBeastlyCat we definitely have somehow created a society where people aren’t looking at the input side of the ledger enough.

Catatemyhomework · 06/11/2025 11:23

I have Adhd and anxiety/depression. I think I've been like this my whole life if I'm honest. I've always worked though in professional client facing roles, and never claimed anything. It has never occurred to me. When I went through the menopause, things got a whole lot harder and my symptoms were exacerbated. Chronic insomnia and anxiety. This is when I became self employed as I could manage my own schedule. The doctor did suggest I apply for pip but I haven't. However, if our taxes go up too much on 26th, I just might you know. I wonder if others will do the same?

CandidLurker · 06/11/2025 11:31

Catatemyhomework · 06/11/2025 11:23

I have Adhd and anxiety/depression. I think I've been like this my whole life if I'm honest. I've always worked though in professional client facing roles, and never claimed anything. It has never occurred to me. When I went through the menopause, things got a whole lot harder and my symptoms were exacerbated. Chronic insomnia and anxiety. This is when I became self employed as I could manage my own schedule. The doctor did suggest I apply for pip but I haven't. However, if our taxes go up too much on 26th, I just might you know. I wonder if others will do the same?

The process is totally flawed. There needs to be some sort of “triage” at the front end before people enter the full process. At the moment people can “throw their hat in the ring”. They’ve got nothing to lose by doing so. People can get minimal points, like 2 or something, and still want to take it through to Mandatory Reconsideration. Nothing to stop them doing this. The system is clogged up with people who probably shouldn’t have been allowed to enter the process in the first place.

Catatemyhomework · 06/11/2025 11:38

I should add, that I don't earn much myself with my business but I do earn and self assess every year with HMRC, primarily to keep my NI contributions up, although I have now paid 35 years.
I am married to a reasonably high earner though, not over 100K but around 80K, although this is quite recent as he's been around 60K for years. I do get that people with less money will apply for pip as they see it as extra income for bills. I suppose I haven't needed to. However, my husband has supported 5 people on his income and this is never taken into account by governments when they put up taxes. Perhaps if people were taxed less, they wouldn't feel the need to apply for state help on some cases. I don't know, just musing really.

Chimaera101 · 06/11/2025 11:43

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 06/11/2025 10:52

An epidemic of entitlement.

Following the next abomination of a budget, I think we will see a broad revolt against the benefits
culture in the UK. People have evidently had enough.

The Welfare Party that is Labour, will see its ratings plummet into single digits.

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