Huntingdon was a lone wolf attack

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Confirmed by police about half an hour ago that the 35 year old arrested has been released without charge.

Apology accepted.

Its very important that we don’t try to shut down conversations about ideologies because of accusations of racism.

Because terrorism is likely and they need to stop it happening. Do you find that problematic?

It's important that we don't scapegoat Muslims after every attack, because it's not you who suffers when you do, it's Muslims, a la Southport.

Do you think the people calling out Muslims to denounce the attack will apologise today? Will they heck.

So MI5 can be aware of the likelihood but you don’t want anyone else to be?

True. However the number of posters on various threads yesterday insisting that because the arrested men were black it was likely they were Muslim terrorists was eye opening.
Re the police treating it as a terrorist attack for a bit - they never said Islamist terror. Assuming it must be was prejudice on some posters’ part (to get round the quibbles about the definition or application of the word racism).

The post you responded to literally says it's obvious that MI5 need to monitor terror.

You're preaching to the converted, bizarrely and unnecessarily.

I don’t assume, but suspect that such an attack will turn out to be either terror related or because of a serious mental illness. Both are equally likely to be the cause. This attack sounds like it was almost certainly mental health related, with the perpetrator shouting about the devil.

If it is mental health related, there will yet again be questions asked about mental health services and we’ll be reassured with the line that there will be a serious case review and ‘lessons will be learned’.

Exactly, thanks Cardi.

So what’s the problem? You accept terrorism exists and people should be aware of it.

This seems like sophistry.
Yes, it’s good to learn from terrorist attacks and set up defences.
No, it’s not good to automatically assume that any violent act is Islamist terrorism.

Probably not. Do you think people who wag their finger and admonish people who assume a mass attack on the public like this is a terror attack and then it turns out to actually be a terror attack come back and apologise?
Also, probably not.

It doesn't give people a license to behave irresponsibly and put Muslim lives in danger.

But those people are not encouraging othering and hatred towards Muslims.

Do MI5 only monitor Islamist groups because it’s bound to be them? No. In the same way, other people shouldn’t assume any act looking like it might be terror related is committed by a Muslim.

Operation Plato does respond to marauding terrorism.

So yes when this happened initially the police put that in place. That’s a good thing.

No one so far has said otherwise, there may be some who don’t want it idk

It's a well known fact not everyone is capable of empathy.

Just caught up and I assume the OP told me to F off and this post was deleted. I’m not offended. We are all upset and I’m particularly upset as it’s all very close to home and I’m frightened for my kids primarily.

Apologies to OP for tell her to shush. I just want to focus on the people who are suffering in hospital and the people who are traumatised as a result of being there. All this other stuff being discussed can wait, as hopefully as a result of the investigation the police can make further changes to how they deal with repeat offenders. In America they now have clear profiles of school shooters for example and can see beforehand those who are likely to take this route.

i follow a lot of crime investigator accounts and profilers and think we really need to be honing in on people who are displaying erratic behaviour, particularly if they have shown to keep and use weapons. When I read stories of people who have been arrested for stabbing people their social media is often full of photos with them posing with knives. They’re not trying to hide it! The recent 24 hours police custody case with the young man who was found guilty of killing his mother and siblings and was planning to enter the local primary school and shoot as many children and staff as he could. His phone(s) was absolutely full of terrible searches and images. He was obsessed with gore and violence alongside child abuse images. Covid gave him the opportunity to well and truly fall down the rabbit hole with this stuff but his obsession with it meant he radicalised himself. I’d never heard the term self-radicalisation until I watched this dual episode.

To hear that a man has attacked lots of people indiscriminately in public and assume it could be a terror attack is not racist.

To assume all violence perpetrated by black men is a terror attack is racist.

You can’t conflate these two things.

We can’t shy away from conversations that make us uncomfortable. It’s not how we get better. It’s not how we stop violence.

It's been repeatedly explained that the police rescinded Plato on Saturday night, soon after arresting Anthony Williams.

But it didn't stop the unfounded posts about Muslims and the demands they speak out.

I think in the documentary aired recently it was suggested that what the passengers saw (not the ones on the train) were the armed officers with their firearms under their coats jumping over the barriers to catch up with Jean. So they did see that, but as firearms wore plain clothes they didn’t know that was the police and not the alleged perpetrator.

I trust MI5 to monitor and respond to threats
Some idiot who likes to paint crosses on roundabouts and rants about "protecting are kids" on facebook not so much

You were deleted for telling the OP to shush / be quiet.

No but they’re encouraging othering and hatred towards other groups of people.

When I just read about the Bastille parade mass attack it used the term Islamic State sympathiser. I don’t see many reports using Muslim.

It’s usually affiliated to the terrorist group. Surely people don’t identify with those groups anyway.

Who?