Huntingdon was a lone wolf attack

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Confirmed by police about half an hour ago that the 35 year old arrested has been released without charge.

Nationalism is an ideology. Islam is a religion.

They’re both ideologies.

Out of interest, how many years did you go to school?

“a set of beliefs or principles, especiallyone on which a political system, party, or organization is based:”

All religions are ideologies.

Oh, and I have a MA ☺️☺️ thanks for asking

Watch Babylon Berlin on Sky - drama not documentary - I’m on seasonn4 now, and it is I think very accurate how it all sneaks in , basically weird misfit men with small dicks but wanting power and influence turning people against each other by initially using the ‘common sense’ approach .

oh dear

How are religions not organisations based on beliefs and principles?

But in the panic and obvious distress of those attacked, when asked who had done it, they correctly identified that it was someone of colour. Hence the police arresting him as he may have been pointed out by one of the victims. Hardly surprising that in the immediate aftermath that mistakes were made.

I trust Keir Starmer a bloody sight more than I do Farage and Tice.
Not that that’s saying much ….

So if the attacker is a white male, the police should arrest all white males in the vicinity?

They didn’t arrest all black men in the vicinity, though. They arrested one man who was reported to them in good faith, but obviously in error.

I'm confused by this conversation. Obviously Islam is a religion not a race. Its followers can be of any ethnicity, though, like most religions, their followers are more concentrated in certain countries or regions.

Religions ARE ideologies. Both are a set of ideas that provide a framework for how people can better understand the world. Both give detailed guidance - a set of core values, goals and rules - for how people should live a 'good life'.

They both demand great commitment from their followers. And they both can be horribly abused by their 'leaders' in pursuit of more power, control, status, money and sex.

Ideologies are typically very good for men, but much less rewarding for women, girls and very young children.

Political Ideologies are primarily rooted in human-derived principles and reasoning, whereas Religious Ideologies are primarily rooted in a supernatural authority, typically a god or gods. Still both ideologies!

Surely the police look at the background of anyone and everyone in the frame for a serious offence? Why would that imply that MI5 must have information on the person?

Really? You trust someone who makes excuses for his party’s cockups and has to be pushed to take any action - Mandelson, Rayner - both guilty as hell, yet given lifelines by Starmer until it became clear that the public weren’t buying it. And now Reeves, whose story is falling to bits in plain site, but no doubt our PM will be hoping that today’s tragedy might avoid him having to yet again do his job and dismiss her, because it will distract from the issue. He clearly can’t be trusted to do the right thing in any situation.

It might be the case that one of the victims pointed him out to the police, mistakenly. The police have to act in the moment, and don’t have time to stop and think what it will do to race relations if they’re wrong.

Well, yes, given that they're not relevant to this thread. After all, you seem to have forgotten that the vast majority of sexual abuse offences and murders in this country are committed by British citizens.

Agree.Easternstandard is one of the more measured and rational posters on these subjects, and definitely does not deserve to be labelled as a racist. Although tbh, that label has pretty much lost its meaning these days.

So are you seriously saying that you trust Farage and Tice? Farage, who wholeheartedly supports convicted criminal Trump, who hypocritically uses EU citizenship to his advantage and takes an MP's salary whilst being easily the most useless MP in Parliament? Tice, another hypocrite who has squirrelled away millions in tax havens and who wants to take away support from disabled children in schools? The people who are ultimately responsible for the total shambles happing in Reform-led local government in places like Kent and Warwickshire?

Tell me, will you still trust them when they have sold off the 'NHS and you have to bankrupt yourself to get basic medical treatment?

This 100% I'm actually terrified for this country's future. I say that as a white middle class women. I can't begin to imagine how scared the bame community are just now

Unfortunately, the mainstream media has been filled with stories of crimes committed by (mostly) illegal immigrants this week so I don't see these views fading any time soon.

Murder, yes. But what happened in this incident is different from that. This wasn’t a premeditated murder of one person, known to the perp. No sane person randomly stabs multiple strangers for no reason whatsoever

Dear God, he should be immediately removed the minute he comes anywhere near the hospital after attacking nurses, the absolute bastard.
Sorry to hear that.

Agree. I am a bloke sorry, and this is the only brit forum I can see cos of where I live, so hope you don't mind me posting here.

I read the threads yesterday, and it was the usual reform folk snowballing, who claim to be "the silent majority", but in actual fact are the very vocal minority. A casual look at any pro reform polls show they are about 20% of the electorate.

The "single issue" voters who are very good at flooding social media, because facts and truth do not matter to them. Their "single issue" trumps all. The far right are good at this it seems.

I want to believe their massive snowballs they build with these events do melt a bit when facts come out, but there will always be the hardcore who double down, and yell COVER UP !. And we are seeing that here.

How to fight back is difficult. I think politicians need to do more. I think if they want to get that 20% down a bit, they need to present facts and figures more, and do that as if teaching folk who do not understand facts and figures.

But of course, the reform folk will just accuse the politicians of being condescending. It's difficult.

Personally, I compare many of these folk with flat earthers. Flerths. They use the exact same debate and discussion tactics, ignore facts, deflect, make things up, go down rabbit holes etc. Maybe politicians should hone their debate and presentation skills against flat earthers ?

I suppose at the end of the day they won't persuade the core, but I think it's the folk on the fringe that matter. Get that 20% down a bit.