Huntingdon was a lone wolf attack

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Confirmed by police about half an hour ago that the 35 year old arrested has been released without charge.

@010lowernuggate @IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken I'm afraid there is no equivalence, even though you may find that comforting. And I don't believe that your conclusion is what @anyolddinosaur was suggesting.

There are not two morally reprehensible groups here.

Some people are simply expressing their sympathy for the victims and those that witnessed this horrible incident first hand, one of which, the reporting indicates, is a fellow that was arrested and questioned - which must have been harrowing.

Others are pushing right wing conspiracy theories and unsubstantiated bile.

I invite you to consider whether you truly think these positions are two halves of the same walnut, and if so, why.

Seems you care more about the stabber than the people he tried to kill.

Strange tbh

Can you quote what you mean specifically?

I'll be honest a lone wolf attack is almost more scary and worrying. How did this individual get to the point of slaughtering random people? It reminds me of the man who stabbed a random passer by school boy in east London a year or 2 back. With the way things are, there is less help for mentally ill people. That's a disgrace imo. I'd say also with the col generally people are more poor now than they were a few years back. We do live in a pretty unhealthy society and no one is doing anything about it.

Millions of people are ‘failed’ by the mental health provision - it was never designed to deal with millions with complex needs, thankfully they won’t all go on trains and attack innocent random people.

Most people who murder people either murder someone they know or someone they get into a fight with or a minority are serial killers. Stabbing ten unknown people while shouting about the devil is rather unusual for most murders and does suggest a high chance of mental health issues. Which is completely not the same as suggesting that people with mental health issues are likely to commit such a crime. For every person that does there will be thousands/tens of thousands of people with mental health issues who’d never dream of doing such a th8ng.

I haven’t seen a single racist comment ever from you tbh. I have been on here for a very long time. I wonder how they will support their allegation.

Thanks I appreciate this. I don’t think anything was reported or deleted, and the op has made this accusation a couple of times so I’m interested in knowing which post they mean.

Racial bias from the police. Cultural stigma about seeking early and appropriate help and lack of culturally appropriate care are the main reasons.
Mental health services are completely overwhelmed.
But yes, travelling whilst black seems to be another risk factor (many of my friends who are stopped by police for driving whilst black).

They won't be.
They have been emboldened by the acceptance of racism in the mainstream media. Historically it's always been an effective propaganda tool but with the digital reach that exists now, it's just 'the norm'. Depressingly so.

There are people who hunger for the 'ICE-like' squads to be roaming the streets and I'm sure many on this and the other thread will have the reporting line on speed dial when the time comes.

On the last thread?

Because I can see the absolute failings in our mental health system?

Yes paste the post here you mean.

It’s a lie that this senseless violent act was perpetuated by a male? And that most are?

You’d rather us just ignore male violence?

Bizarre

Every single person has opinions on society etc. That doesnt make every violent action they commit an act of terrorism. Unless you want to label every single violent action an act of terrorism.

I can’t remember who it was on the first thread who was insistent that the stabbing was to do with football violence, but apparently there were some Nottingham Forest fans on the train who demonstrated “extraordinary bravery”.

Spot on. It was a terror attack.

Absolutely.

The attacker last night was described as being ‘a black man wearing black clothing’.

The second man was likely arrested because he and his outfit matched that description.

If he’d been wearing a red jacket I doubt the police would have arrested him ‘for being black’.

Also, if they were both arrested when they were off the train and running for the station exit, remember that at 7:30pm it’s dark at the end of October. The real knife attacker jumped over a fence and was tasered on the tarmac outside the station, I believe. Not unrealistic to assume the lighting wasn’t the best there,

People were running from the train. If the innocent black man was towards the back of the group running away then I can easily see how he was misidentified. The actual attacker was walking, not running, so wouldn’t have emerged until a number of seconds after the innocent black man.

I can see how he was mistakenly arrested without a shred of racism from the police.

I really dislike the term "lone wolf". It romanticizes the violence, making it sound like it was done by a warrior or freedom fighter. Why not just say he "acted alone"?

The Distinction is that terror attack has (misplaced) ideological basis as causal component
Violence in an unprovoked attack context , causes terror , but it’s not ideologically driven.
Terror attack has a specific and widely understood meaning in police and politics and emergency services

I'd rather the police arrest anyone who could be a threat than worry about offending people. Thats exactly why Rochdale grooming gangs werent challenged.

The wrongly arrested man is free 24 hours later, its hardly a miscarriage of justice.

My thoughts are with the hospitalised victims.

If you are going to accuse people of racism, you need to provide evidence.

Yes I'm interested to see what @EasternStandard has said that is racist too. It would be a first time that has happened to my knowledge and I suspect therefore in fact she wasn't racist at all.

I don’t recall saying that it definitely was terrorism. And I agree that not every act of violence is terrorism. In fact that’s one of my pet peeves. What I am saying is that none of us know what the reason behind it is and that not currently being treated as terrorism, which is a standard thing to say after a mass casualty incident, doesn’t mean that it was terrorism or wasn’t. It usually means that it’s under investigation which is perfectly normal with an incident that’s so recent. And sometimes it later proves to be terrorism and often it turns out that it wasn’t.

Likewise none of us know for sure if it was or wasn’t due to a mentally ill man or a fight that turned into a mass brawl or the effects of drugs or a myriad of other things. The point is that none of us know and that includes the people confidently claiming that it was definitely terrorism or that it was definitely a mentally ill man who has been let down by the system or this or that.

I don’t blame people for recognising patterns and thinking X or Y are likely scenarios but there’s a difference between considering it as a possibility and confidently spouting all over social media that it was definitely an immigrant terrorist attack or definitely some poor guy with no agency driven to it by a lack of mental health support or whatever suits your particular prejudices. The point is it’s too early for any of us to say with confidence what the motive was and the focus should really be on the victims who will have suffered no less regardless of what the reason behind it turns out to be.