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Labour isn't working - Thread 16

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TheNuthatch · 31/10/2025 09:56

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government. 💙

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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A chat thread for those who *don't *like this Labour government. ^The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.^...

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EasternStandard · 04/11/2025 19:47

NoWordForFluffy · 04/11/2025 19:46

What the actual fuck are you wittering about?

Maybe it’s vino time somewhere. Get riley on mn about Labour.

EasternStandard · 04/11/2025 19:48

Nolletimiere · 04/11/2025 19:47

@placemats

Sincere question - are you OK?

Genuinely.

Fair point.

Julen7 · 04/11/2025 19:48

EasternStandard · 04/11/2025 19:47

Maybe it’s vino time somewhere. Get riley on mn about Labour.

Yep been on the vino, has to be.

Interested in this thread?

Then you might like threads about this subject:

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 04/11/2025 19:48

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Message deleted by MNHQ. Here's a link to our Talk Guidelines.

Not heard anyone call people Amigos in a long time.

I might have been what, all of 12yo at the time and my then friend Jools had a poster of Che Guevara on her wall.

TheNuthatch · 04/11/2025 19:48

justasking111 · 04/11/2025 19:41

I used to enjoy buying treats when we were young and poor 🎻 🎻. but now we're older with dietary issues it's not as much fun. DH bakes up a storm. Game pies, terrine, salmon mousse, a ham so the fridge is full of snacks. There's his Christmas cake and mince pies to get through as well.

I get a yen for a Chinese after a few days of treats.

Anyone notice two threads that flew along last week asking us oldies how to have a

70's Christmas.
90's Christmas.

So many posts advising on home made decorations, tinsel, lametta, traditional lights, paper chains. A multi coloured decorated Christmas tree instead of themed stuff. I was quite heartened.

Wow! Your dh is a keeper 😁.

I love all the traditional stuff at Xmas. I have fond memories of lametta.

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Nolletimiere · 04/11/2025 19:49

Out of respect for @TheNuthatch

I return to the thread.

placemats · 04/11/2025 19:49

So can anyone here tell me who Reform would have as a Chancellor for the Exchequer? Obviously male, like proper male, I hope.

TheNuthatch · 04/11/2025 19:49

EasternStandard · 04/11/2025 19:47

Maybe it’s vino time somewhere. Get riley on mn about Labour.

Its getting silly now isn't it.

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TheNuthatch · 04/11/2025 19:50

placemats · 04/11/2025 19:49

So can anyone here tell me who Reform would have as a Chancellor for the Exchequer? Obviously male, like proper male, I hope.

You are clearly angry and just here to cause trouble. Please find another way to pass the time.

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NoWordForFluffy · 04/11/2025 19:51

TheNuthatch · 04/11/2025 19:48

Wow! Your dh is a keeper 😁.

I love all the traditional stuff at Xmas. I have fond memories of lametta.

Lametta was ace. Not so ace I'd want it now; very much of its time!

placemats · 04/11/2025 19:51

EasternStandard · 04/11/2025 19:48

Fair point.

I often ask myself that question about all the posters here when I read this thread.

I'm good.

EasternStandard · 04/11/2025 19:52

TheNuthatch · 04/11/2025 19:49

Its getting silly now isn't it.

@Nolletimierepost was a timely reminder that people might not be ok, so I think I’ll just keep that in mind.

TheNuthatch · 04/11/2025 19:52

RoyalImpatience · 04/11/2025 19:45

Furious callers LBC one said she's from a council estate ,poor background ,comp built up her own business and she went into detail as to how and why labour is making her business unviable.

I can imagine. Its impossible for SMEs rn.

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Nolletimiere · 04/11/2025 19:52

FT article in full - sorry format.

Chancellor Rachel Reeves has said she will not resign if she breaks a core pledge in Labour’s manifesto by raising income tax in this month’s Budget, suggesting that the financial markets would panic if she quit.
Reeves also gave a strong hint that business would have to pay more in taxes in what she insisted would be a “fair” Budget, declaring: “Tax isn’t the only thing that affects business sentiment and business investment.”
The chancellor was speaking on Tuesday evening after a day in which she attempted to prepare the public and Labour MPs for a tough Budget on November 26, including the prospect of hefty tax rises.
Asked by LBC’s Andrew Marr is she would resign if she raised income tax — in breach of a key promise in Labour’s election manifesto — Reeves replied: “And what do you think would happen in the financial markets if I did that?”
The chancellor believes the bond markets are behind her strategy, which includes sticking to her “ironclad fiscal rules” and bearing down on borrowing, even if that means politically painful tax rises.
She said that tax increases would be based on the principle that “those with the broadest shoulders should pay the most”, adding: “I want people to see that I’m a Labour chancellor.”
Reeves claimed that her £25bn hike in employers’ national insurance contributions in last year’s Budget had been accompanied by “scare stories”, and that the jobs market, retail sales and growth had defied gloomy predictions.
Earlier on Tuesday Reeves opened the door to an income tax rise when she said the “national interest” would trump political expediency in this month’s Budget.
Reeves used an 8.15am speech in Downing Street to warn she would use the Budget to tackle debt and that she was “determined to put the country on a more sustainable footing”.
Asked if she was prepared to break the Labour manifesto promise not to raise income tax, even if that might cost the party the next election, Reeves said: “We have got to do the right thing.”
She added: “If you’re asking what comes first, the national interest or political expediency, it’s the national interest every single time for me and it’s the same for Keir Starmer too.
“If we are to build the future of Britain together, we will all have to contribute to that effort. Each of us must do our bit.”

Chancellor Rachel Reeves insisted that her fiscal rules are ironclad
The UK's national debt now stands at 2.6 trillion pounds, equivalent to 94% of GDP. Before the mini budget, our borrowing costs were in the middle of the pack compared to other advanced economies. But now we have the highest borrowing costs of any G7 country. Today, 1 in every 10 pounds of taxpayers' money is spent on debt interest. Not paying that debt down. But just paying the interest to our creditors. At the budget last year, I changed the fiscal rules to strike a careful balance. To invest more in capital alongside a credible plan to grow our economy and bring debt down within this parliament. That was the right decision to break the cycle of low productivity and low growth. But that additional investment can only be delivered because markets know my commitment to the fiscal rules is ironclad.
Chancellor Rachel Reeves insisted that her fiscal rules are ironclad © Reuters
Labour officials insisted no final decision had been taken to raise income tax and that Reeves was still weighing up whether a fiscal hole estimated at about £30bn can be filled without breaking manifesto promises.
No government has raised the main rates of income tax since Labour chancellor Denis Healey’s Budget in 1975; doing so would be politically seismic. The Conservatives insisted that Reeves would have to resign.
There was a muted reaction to Reeves’ speech in the markets, with gilt prices falling slightly but remaining higher on the day.
Reeves’ message was partly aimed at the public but also served as an economics lecture to Labour MPs, as she sought to explain why she needed to tame debt in order to cut government borrowing costs.
She said the aim was to free up money for public services and ultimately tax cuts. Reeves noted that one pound in every 10 of taxpayers’ money was spent on servicing the UK’s debt.
“It’s important everyone, public and politicians, understands that,” she added.
One of Reeves’ fiscal rules requires her to have debt falling year on year by the end of the decade, but in the near-term she is running a significant deficit.
The chancellor also warned Labour MPs who had resisted £5bn of welfare cuts that there was “nothing progressive” about a benefits system that left one in eight young people not in education or employment.
Reeves’ speech was also an attempt to blame the previous Conservative government for her predicament, as she confirmed that official forecasts would sharply downgrade estimates of Britain’s future productivity growth.
The chancellor said Tory austerity policies and Brexit were partly to blame, alongside cuts to public investment over the past decade. “I have to respond to the world as it is, not as I would want it to be,” she said.
Conservative leader Kemi Badenoch responded that Reeves was “making excuses”, adding the chancellor had delivered a “waffle-a-thon” and a “masterclass in managed decline”.
Reeves said her Budget would reflect “Labour values” and that she rejected the deep spending cuts implied by “austerity” and would protect key public services including the NHS.
Reeves also indicated that she would beef up her margin of error against meeting her fiscal rules, which include funding day-to-day spending — excluding investment — entirely from tax receipts by 2029-30.
Her refusal to countenance big spending cuts and her determination to strengthen her fiscal “headroom” against future global turbulence mean that she will turn largely to tax rises to fill the fiscal hole in her Budget.
The option of raising the basic, higher and additional income tax rates by 1p is favoured by some in the Treasury as the simplest way to raise more than £10bn a year, but it could come at a heavy political cost for Labour.
Some close to the decision-making process said Reeves and Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer were still weighing up whether a series of smaller tax rises could be deployed instead to fill the fiscal void.

AGAIN REEVES IS GAME-PLAYING!

justasking111 · 04/11/2025 19:52

Buy jars of mincemeat, brandy, pastry and let the man alone in the kitchen 🤩

placemats · 04/11/2025 19:53

TheNuthatch · 04/11/2025 19:50

You are clearly angry and just here to cause trouble. Please find another way to pass the time.

I'm good and not leaving. There's posters on this thread who clearly disrespect and disrupt the other thread. Giving it back.

Nolletimiere · 04/11/2025 19:53

EasternStandard · 04/11/2025 19:52

@Nolletimierepost was a timely reminder that people might not be ok, so I think I’ll just keep that in mind.

Peace & love.

NoWordForFluffy · 04/11/2025 19:53

I'm good.

Typo alert. Read: 'goady'.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 04/11/2025 19:54

placemats · 04/11/2025 19:51

I often ask myself that question about all the posters here when I read this thread.

I'm good.

I have acute second hand embarrassment for you there placemats.

TheNuthatch · 04/11/2025 19:55

EasternStandard · 04/11/2025 19:52

@Nolletimierepost was a timely reminder that people might not be ok, so I think I’ll just keep that in mind.

Yes, that's the impression I'm getting too.

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Rivalled · 04/11/2025 19:56

If only Labour had managed to break the cycle of low productivity and low growth…then we wouldn’t be in this situation, again.

placemats · 04/11/2025 19:56

So long as @Nolletimiere and @Rexinasaurus continue to post on the other thread you have me.

Brandy snaps with whiskey/whisky cream of choice.

Christmas comes via Waitrose and M&S.

NoWordForFluffy · 04/11/2025 19:57

I can barely ever even find the other thread. It's rarely in active threads. 🤷‍♀️

Forgot to say, I had a conversation with my formerly-Labour voting friend today about potential income tax rises. She's bloody furious and can't wait for the chance to vote them out! They're doing so well. 😬

EasternStandard · 04/11/2025 19:57

Nolletimiere · 04/11/2025 19:53

Peace & love.

To everyone, really.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 04/11/2025 19:58

I have an iron rule for Christmas - mince pies are only allowed after Christmas Day until the 6th of Jan.

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