Labour isn't working - Thread 16

[TheNuthatch]

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The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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I don't understand what the value of the house has to do with CT. Surely it's all about the council services used.

Does a couple who are about to retire and who live in a more expensive house use more council services than a family of five, for example, who live in a cheaper house?

These attacks are getting more frequent fux sake guess I’ll be getting an uber to spirit this week

Valuations in England were last done in 1991.

Your current council tax band is premised on these valuations, not on services used.

If the council tax thing is true, we're going to need another George Lansbury (Poplar Revolt). I definitely can't see any candidates for that.

Actually, we needed another George Lansbury for ages

That council tax thing would be mad - surely that's one of those stories floated in order to make people relieved about what actually happens?

My council actually has money at present, though they have future worries. The problem is the ludicrous rules which bar them from spending it on sensible stuff. At least I think that's what it is.

as usual, the amount of money that gets wasted on stuff that is of no use to anyone!

It doesn't make sense though.

If it's according to the value, then why do people get a single person discount?

Yes, we had a ridiculous exercise getting it established on the new build I live on.

People who were put in blatantly stupid bands were told there was no option for a review, they had to go straight to Tribunal. This is designed to put people off and scare them. I think everyone here did it because one lady did it and then gave everyone else advice. They should never have had to do it. I saw the figures.

There was a rumour they were going to get rid of that last year

I'd admit that did really piss me off because I actually believe it should be done per person.

The stupid Reeves does not realize that if you introduce an exit tax for people leaving the country, nobody will come to the UK with Investment ! Does she also not understand that if you double council tax on 'Wealthy' people the only thing that will happen is that instead of dining out 3 times a week it will be once a week. The cumulative effect being the waiter who worked 5 shifts a week only know being needed for 3 shifts ETC . This effect will be played across Retail Entertainment and everything needed to drive growth in the Economy !

It’s not a sign of health and vitality if your economy and the tax burden is so unappealing you have to tax people so they are less likely to leave…

An exit tax is total goose golden egg stuff.
The proposed council tax won't just hit the wealthy, it'll hit hit a lot of people who have already had to cut back their spending. What a mess if they do this. Stupid, spiteful destructive fucks.

Why is everything being floated rn

It’s madness

Gotta weedkill any of those green shoots I guess.

That’s a fair point but presumably that’s because the original methodology was premised on 2 adults, 2 kids or similar.

The valuations were based on house value at the time however.

Some of these will make the cut, in one form or another.

Labour’s policy of floating is despicable - utterly reprehensible.

Starmer will doubtless use the latest Huntingdon incident to push the case for his digital ID - not letting a crisis go to waste etc.

I don’t think it’ll wash. Idk the latest but most people won’t see ID as effective in any way.

Here's an example of a G council tax new build - bit of a McMansion, the demographic that buys these are very much working (although not by Labour definition), and very very mortgaged.

They will not have many extra thousands of quid spare for random batshit council tax hikes.

www.rightmove.co.uk/properties/168812477

A load of new builds were built nearish to us. The developer couldn’t sell many of them (500-1m+), and now the council have bought them to use as council houses. I bet the people who Did buy one themselves, are pleased.

Do council tenants pay council tax?? Either way it’s the tax payer paying I suppose. Shocker.

Do council tenants pay council tax?? Either way it’s the tax payer paying I suppose.

Not if they're on income support benefits, no. I suppose some people have sicial housing tenancies but work, so they'd pay.
Imagine getting housed in one of those but you have a low salaried job - what happens then?

bet the people who Did buy one themselves, are pleased.

Half a million to live on a council estate. Delighted, I'm sure.

Double Council tax for houses in band G and H - fucking hell! The government really is waging war on its citizens. Not on wealth - since council tax doesn't consider how much equity you have in the house - but on any kind of aspiration to not be dependent on the state.

I think that will take our bin collection (the only thing we get for our council tax) up to £150 per house, per collection. A few street light bulbs thrown in, and a pothole filled every 3-5 years.

They even charge for bulky waste collections now, and then write indignant articles about people fly tipping as if it was a surprise. We pay so much tax and get nothing in return.

This is completely insane.

Ironic that the government have instructed the public ‘not to fuel speculation’, with respect the appalling Huntingdon attacks, when they have been doing just that with all the budget rumour and speculation.

A truly two tier government.

Have we already spoken about Reeves' proposed removal of capital gains tax forgiveness at death? I've just read an article about it, and noticed that the proposal is that it will be payable when the asset is sold, not when inherited.

This is being positioned as being so that you don't have to pay it at the same time as IHT.

But does anyone else suspect it's so that CGT will be due on the full multi-generation gain on houses which were a main residence for the parent (and hence exempt) but are not the child's main residence at the time it comes to sell, and so no longer exempt.

Sneaky and dishonest theft from the class enemies middle class so probably Labour's intention.

I'm sure it will be declared 'closing a tax loophole'.

Will this also dovetail nicely with Reeves' proposal to remove CGT exemption for residential property over £500k?

My house is a 30 year old version of that and a lot less polished. On a large housing estate. But it is band G as will be many of the houses on this estate. The problem is the current banding puts houses worth £500k in the same top bands as houses worth £1M plus in my area.

DH and I are coming up to retirement. Our council tax bill is already nearly £4k a year. If it doubles and then increases from there by the time we receive our state pensions then roughly the entirety of one state pension will be needed to pay the council tax.

it will have a disastrous effect on the housing market.

I hope it is just another idea being floated by a think tank which will not materialise.