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Labour isn't working - Thread 16

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TheNuthatch · 31/10/2025 09:56

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government. 💙

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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Rexinasaurus · 01/11/2025 19:58

EmeraldRoulette · 01/11/2025 18:36

I've been busy all day, so just going to cook dinner and try and catch up on the thread

Bit of randomness for you

Apparently, Matt Goodwin was on question time and a lady spoke about her anxiety. I don't like to comment without knowing the whole story. I am someone who was medicated for years and years for depression and anxiety and the doctor actually said to me about benefits, was concerned about my capability to work, I ignored it and I've been through some really shit times. I think now some people would consider them to be PTSD, particularly the experience of losing friends in a terror attack.

I totally accept that everyone is different, but benefits was really not for me, even if the doctor did think it was a good idea. I also noticed that the lady who asked the question said the applying was traumatic. I can't help wondering if that's an exaggeration.

sorry, I waffled there, anyway, I was thinking - Matt Goodwin is very attractive! I suspect he has a girlfriend or a wife or a boyfriend or husband. Anyway. Got that out of my system 😂

It was probably on my mind today because I was talking to mum about the Bridget Jones film, which I haven't seen, and when I explained the story (younger man) she said "oh dear, you're not going to do that again are you?" Which made me laugh. I said "why not?" And she said "because you'll just get sick of them and drop them again". Which made me laugh even more. Sadly, I've aged a lot in the last two years so I don't think it's going to happen again!

Next totally random side bar, just catching up with MN today, and some of the thread titles are pretty mad! No TATs though obviously. 🤐

Matt Goodwin? As JMc said.. you cannat be serious!! 🤣

Labour isn't working - Thread 16
Catatemyhomework · 01/11/2025 20:07

The problem is, there are so many people on state support, that I honestly believe that by the next election, they'll be even more. These people won't be voting for lower taxes, even 45k will be high in their eyes. They've lost sight of how much money you have to actually earn and what it equates to after tax. You then have to pay for all the other incidentals that people protected from this, never see. It's hit a point that people have no idea. The more the ratchet is screwed in one direction, the longer and harder it will be to turn it back.

strawberrybubblegum · 01/11/2025 20:45

Catatemyhomework · 01/11/2025 20:07

The problem is, there are so many people on state support, that I honestly believe that by the next election, they'll be even more. These people won't be voting for lower taxes, even 45k will be high in their eyes. They've lost sight of how much money you have to actually earn and what it equates to after tax. You then have to pay for all the other incidentals that people protected from this, never see. It's hit a point that people have no idea. The more the ratchet is screwed in one direction, the longer and harder it will be to turn it back.

My worry is that Reform are a populist party. They've already said they'll remove the 2-child cap. I think they might end up putting in similar policies to Labour (bar open borders of course) and I'm not sure the UK can survive 2 terms of this.

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ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 01/11/2025 20:47

strawberrybubblegum · 01/11/2025 20:45

My worry is that Reform are a populist party. They've already said they'll remove the 2-child cap. I think they might end up putting in similar policies to Labour (bar open borders of course) and I'm not sure the UK can survive 2 terms of this.

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Yes.

They are Labour minus the boats.

SpaceRaccoon · 01/11/2025 20:52

This is my worry also, and why im desperate for the Tories to bounce back.

Also totally agree about people in benefits bot understanding the reality of a taxed salary, and that you have to pay full whack for life with what's left.

Catatemyhomework · 01/11/2025 20:52

strawberrybubblegum · 01/11/2025 20:45

My worry is that Reform are a populist party. They've already said they'll remove the 2-child cap. I think they might end up putting in similar policies to Labour (bar open borders of course) and I'm not sure the UK can survive 2 terms of this.

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I agree, I don't want a reform government either. However, I have reached the point where I'm done with the 'major' parties. They don't represent me anymore. I'd rather have Reform who will fuck up, which they will call everything the same as every other government does, *there's no money. "
However, they will likely be so bad, that maybe, other political parties sort their shit out.

EmeraldRoulette · 01/11/2025 20:55

@Nolletimiere The thing about the fraud and the not stolen phone... I think politicians should actually be held to a higher standard than that. I know the number of people with a criminal record in the UK is pretty high but are political parties so desperate that they have to hire them?

Wes Streeting has tweeted some appalling stuff IMHO and I do think that should be enough to keep you out of a position. Sorry to say, the same thing is true of Kemi Badenoch and the hacking. Or AIBU?

@Catatemyhomework I don't know what other European countries are like in terms of their benefits statistics.

@Rexinasaurus he has lovely blue eyes! To be honest, I was quite confused when I read some of his recent stuff, because I always had him down as a lefty. But I saw an article about how he got radicalised into the right (because obviously one has to be radicalised if they're on the right) 🙄

So that explains that, I've probably seen him in the past with a different view. The article I read implied that he doesn't believe a word of what he's saying and he's just trying to build his career. Of course, there's an element of that on both sides and with many subjects but I think he's putting himself out if he doesn't believe what he's saying.

I don't actually think I could date someone in the public eye. Just in case the issue ever arises 😂

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SamHain25 · 01/11/2025 21:24

@EmeraldRoulette.

I like Matt Goodwin too.

Rexinasaurus · 01/11/2025 21:29

@redange’ I have a number of Persian friends who left Persia in 1979 who state striking similarities happening in the UK.’

In what way?

EmeraldRoulette · 01/11/2025 21:29

@SamHain25 🥰

btw your username is great! I am probably due to NC but I've got strangely attached to my online identity. Cue creepy music...

Parsley4321 · 01/11/2025 21:31

@redange id like to know this too
I can see Islamic state coning around the corner so worrying

redange · 01/11/2025 21:36

I think it is obvious in what way the similarities are being shown.

Rexinasaurus · 01/11/2025 21:37

redange · 01/11/2025 21:36

I think it is obvious in what way the similarities are being shown.

I don’t - could you explain? Thanks!

Parsley4321 · 01/11/2025 21:39

@redange islamification growing with a weak government ?

Nolletimiere · 01/11/2025 21:41

Families face council tax bills of up to £10,000 a year under plans being considered by Rachel Reeves to double rates on more than a million homes.
The Chancellor is said to be looking at proposals to apply a 100 per cent increase to the two highest council tax bands, which would predominantly hit households in London and the South East.
On Saturday night, critics warned that many pensioners, who live on fixed incomes, would be unable to afford such steep increases and would end up “forced out of their homes”.
It comes with Ms Reeves understood to be considering a capital gains tax raid on inherited assets, including property, as well an exit tax on entrepreneurs fleeing Britain.

On top of this, The Telegraph can reveal she wants to restrict benefit claimants’ access to luxury cars, in what will be seen as a bid to demonstrate her commitment to spending cuts and soften the blow on tax rises.
The Chancellor must find £30bn to fill a black hole in the public finances ahead of her Budget at the end of the month and is said to view increases to council tax as one of the easiest ways to raise funds.
One option said to be under consideration is a proposal by the Institute for Fiscal Studies, which would involve doubling rates for properties in the top bands G and H.
The plans would see a typical bill rise from £3,800 to £7,600 for residents of a band G household, and from £4,560 a year to £9,120 for those in a band H home.

The most expensive council tax bill in the country would be in Rutland, where the top level of band H charge would rise to an eye-watering £10,800 a year.
In a pre-budget report, the influential think tank said the plan would net £4.2bn a year by the end of the decade for cash-strapped councils.
The blueprint may prove attractive to Ms Reeves, who has made no secret of her plans to target wealth at the budget, as it would hit just 4.1 per cent of households.

On Saturday night, the Treasury did not deny that the plan was under consideration. A spokesman said: “We do not comment on speculation around changes to tax outside of fiscal events.”
Unlike other reforms, such as introducing new bands on top of the existing ones, it would also avoid the need for a full revaluation of all homes in England.
A revaluation would be likely to take several years and would be more politically controversial as many more families would be dragged into higher tax.
A source familiar with the proposal told the Financial Times: “The idea of increased taxation on high-end homes is well established. The discussion is about how you do it.”
Others close to the Budget preparations said that the “administrative simplicity” of any changes was important to the Chancellor, appearing to rule out a country-wide revaluation.

Kemi Badenoch, the Tory leader, warned that the proposals would “hammer” pensioners in more valuable properties who live on fixed incomes.
She told The Telegraph: “Last year Rachel Reeves promised she wouldn’t be back for more taxes. Shamefully, she looks on course to break that promise.
“Creating new higher council tax bands will hammer people who have lived in the same house for decades, particularly pensioners, some of whom will be unable to pay this new tax and be forced out of their home.
“Instead of putting new taxes on family homes, she should be removing them, as I have said I would do by abolishing stamp duty.
“The Conservatives have a serious, costed plan to cut spending by £47bn and use half to pay down the deficit and half to get our economy growing.
“If Keir Starmer had any backbone, he’d tell his weak Chancellor to steal our savings package, cut tax and get Britain working again.”
Nigel Farage, the Reform UK leader, told The Telegraph the raid would be another “attack on aspiration” at a time when higher income families face a huge tax burden.
“It is an assault on assets and will cause huge consternation amongst older people living in properties they bought many years ago,” he said.

The Telegraph revealed in August that the Chancellor has quietly dropped Labour’s commitment, made before the election, not to change council tax bands.
Another option that could be considered is adding one or more extra bands to the top of the existing structure, as the Welsh Labour Government has done.
To avoid the need for a revaluation, the top half of the most valuable homes in band H, and potentially band G too, would be moved into a new higher band.
Homes placed into those higher bands would then be charged a higher rate, with Wales increasing charges for families in its new band “I” by 17 per cent.
That approach has previously been mooted by the Resolution Foundation, a think tank which has four former economists working on the Budget preparations.
Official figures show that any raid on the top two bands would overwhelmingly affect families in London and the South East while sparing those in the North.
There are just under 154,000 properties in the top band H across England, just under two-thirds of which are located in the capital and surrounding counties.
In contrast, there are only 1,560 in the North East and 3,450 in the East Midlands.
Of the 908,500 band G properties across the country, half are in London and the South East, compared with only 122,000 across the whole of the North.

On Saturday night, experts told The Telegraph that the move would affect older homeowners and could lead to a surge of properties coming onto the market.
Lucian Cook, of estate agency Savills, told The Telegraph that asset-rich, cash-poor households – such as pensioners – would be “at the sharp end of this” policy.
He said that families that had lived in properties for a long period of time would have “seen their assets go up in value, but that doesn’t mean they can be considered to be wealthy”.
Richard Donnell, of Zoopla, said the policy risks leading to houses flooding the market.
“Changes in council tax would likely see some homeowners look to sell to reduce costs, which would further add to supply and impact prices,” he explained.
He also warned that it was not possible to “assess the income of those who own or live in higher value homes”, and therefore assess their ability to pay more.
Other experts added that retirees “don’t have the pension provision to cover costs of living these days, so higher taxes on them, whether this be on their pensions, on their homes, on what they buy, could be the straw that breaks the camel’s back for some”.
The experts said: “This leaves them two main options, selling those assets and realising some of the capital, or taking debt on their assets to sustain them.”
Ms Reeves will not take a final decision on which tax rises to pursue until after Nov 21, when the Office for Budget Responsibility hands her its last pre-budget forecast of the public finances.

Nolletimiere · 01/11/2025 21:48

Duplicate

DancingFerret · 01/11/2025 21:48

From The Telegraph: "Labour's war on wealth is a slow-motion disaster."

https://archive.ph/QXept

Nolletimiere · 01/11/2025 21:50

Great.

The DM is like a dog with a bone.

SamHain25 · 01/11/2025 21:55

EmeraldRoulette · 01/11/2025 21:29

@SamHain25 🥰

btw your username is great! I am probably due to NC but I've got strangely attached to my online identity. Cue creepy music...

Thank you..I am usually lutonsgirl....but might keep this to over winter. Keep your name its good!

SpaceRaccoon · 01/11/2025 21:55

The council tax band thing is worrying as houses worth not actually that much fall into that in Scotland.
Take Glasgow, all of the more affluent suburbs will largely fall into thise two bands. Big chunks of houses on new build estates too. Many or most of these owned by people busting a gut to pay their mortgages. Massive rises would finish them... and how could you then sell the house? Total market distortion would occur.

My NDN where I lived previously was in Band F just due to a slightly higher square footage than us and I doubt they'd get more than 350K for their house currently, as an example. Bog standard 4 bed newbuild, we're not talking mansions.

Parsley4321 · 01/11/2025 21:57

She wants a simple solution because she doesn’t have the intelligence to do otherwise - her husband and her that photo jeez two more shady folk I haven’t seen in a long while

Nolletimiere · 01/11/2025 21:59

Rich people quitting the UK could be required to pay a 20% tax on their business assets as part of plans reportedly being considered by the chancellor, Rachel Reeves.

The Treasury has drawn up plans for a “settling-up charge” on assets; a move that would bring the UK into line with most other G7 nations and raise a predicted £2bn for the public coffers, according to the Times.

While expat status does not provide an exemption from 20% capital gains tax on the sale of UK property and land valued at £6,000 or more, it does on the sale of some other assets, such as shares in many companies.

Under the new plans, the 20% charge would be levied on the value of these assets when exiting the country.

GUARDIAN

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