Labour isn't working - Thread 15

[TheNuthatch]

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government.

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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That is dawning on people I think. The Tories may have been poor in government previously and were shunned by many by the end of the parliament. But they had steadied the ship economically and were by then trusted by business and the markets. Labour has completely failed in that respect.

And much of the Tories’ bad reputation was created by Labour lies. My strongest objection is to the lies told about Covid procurement corruption. An absolute disgrace, pushed by the left-wing press, pressure groups and, in their own little way, useful left-wing idiots on MN.

The other main cause of anti-Tory sentiment was strike action. The strikers were paid off by Labour immediately. But they’re coming back for more. And - hey presto! - it’s now apparently bad to strike, according to the fellow travellers.

Oh please. Don’t get me started on breakfast clubs. No money to staff them. It’s being run on staff good will. Already teachers, who are at breaking point, are running these clubs. There isn’t the money to fund them. Then the fact it’s cereal or a bit of toast. The money has to come from somewhere. We have a high take up as I work in a school with a high level of deprivation. Unfortunately, I see only to well, the cycle of learned helplessness. Generations who have spent years on benefits. Multiple requests to fill in DLA forms when it’s news to us. It’s does happen despite insisting does not.

I just can’t square is anymore, I don’t need to work and I’m wondering why I bother. They have an issue keeping teachers in the classroom and that will get worse. 90% pass rate for phonics when so many children are not school ready. Increasing violence and I mean serious violence even at primary level. The Ed sec needs to get her house in order.

As for that tax, my husband pays my wages 👀 many times over! 😂 We’ve reached the point that it’s just not worth the stress and loss of family time now with how much he’s losing in tax. He’s better off and time rich by dropping days. I hope there are around 15-20 basic rate taxpayers willing to step up and take that burden on.

We’ve always said we wouldn’t move abroad but the offers he is getting are too tempting. He has a niche skill set which pays well. Teacher salaries are better abroad as will. Another year and a half for exams and that could be us off. Too much into the system in more ways than one to get nothing out.

I love that film. It just perfectly encapsulates it.

I think one of the major advantages that Sunak had over Starmer (aside from the former being fundamentally a decent person), was/is Sunak’s wife (or her father, more accurately) is wealthy - that provided Sunak with the cover
to act with integrity, as he was acting for the best interests of the country. He also had a working understanding of finance, from his tenure at GS etc.

Compare and contrast that with the ideological lunacy of the grabby and incompetent porcine-featured bollard….

Yes I agree on the lies, the PPE one and I’ll add all the rubbish on Sunak’s wife, partygate which was Cummings hugely successful campaign, just generally going for so many things.

Here we are with Starmer and co, we’ll all pay more eventually for it.

Good to have the “grown ups” in charge, though, and an end to “chaos”. 🙄

Is there any suggestion that the lack of accuracy in the initial forecast is related to Trump’s cuts?

I'm completely struggling to guage tone today, I'm not quite sure if that's a joke or not?

The storm has been charted and it has grown in intensity rather than it being poorly categorised to begin with. It has already crossed Haiti as a tropical storm two days ago, it still caused flooding and killed 3. That was when there were forecasts that this could develop into a category 3 storm. Now, like over the last 5/6 hours they've seen it has grown atypically and are expecting worse again. It's not anything to do with cuts but its unusual progression - if I've understood the reports correctly.

Can someone explain the bollard joke to me.

Stasi: How the GDR kept its citizens under surveillance

Stasi informants could potentially be found anywhere, even among colleagues or friends. Their task was to detect people labeled as "harmful" to society. In the eyes of the German Democratic Republic (GDR) regime, this included anyone who criticized the system and cooperated with the so-called "class enemy."

This reasoning legitimized the construction of the Berlin Wall in 1961, which the GDR called the "anti-fascist protection barrier" against the "imperialist" or "fascist" capitalists in the West.

Mandatory digital ID, anyone?

Teaching sounds like hell at the moment. My dd wants to go into teaching after uni. I am trying to gently dissuade her. Its shocking that you're dealing with violence at primary, and why the F are teachers filling in DLA forms?! 🤯 In your shoes, I think I'd become a lady who lunches 😁.

Good luck if you decide to move. I don't blame you at all if you have options abroad. This government hate people who do well.

Boris Johnson described Starmer as a pointless human bollard.
When we talk about the Bollard, we mean Starmer 😁

And we mean pointless

It is hell; I would avoid at all costs. One of the best jobs in the world but I would go abroad as an NQT now. Go where skills and hard work are valued. That’s part of the problem here, it isn’t valued. Teachers are seen as scum who are public servants. We aren’t seen as worthy and the children pick up that. Society does not value education and that leads to this mess. I mean we taxed education, that’s how much it is valued.

I don’t fill them in, I refuse. I have filled in the odd one where there is significant need. I’ve had forms for children who don’t get or need extra support and are perfectly fine in school, on trips and residentials etc. Not a popular view I’m sure but there are groups of people who know the system, know the key words and are absolutely rinsing the welfare state. Less for children and families who really need that DLA. Whole system needs sorting out.

I am so tempted. I like working though, it’s just not rewarded anymore. Although I’m not going to lie, being threatened with poles around the head, spat at and told knives would be brought into school. The niceties of teaching are wearing off, even at primary level.

@Nolletimiere I agree re so wealrhy already .

😬

Yep agree

Your story reinforces the uninformed view of many of us, that it will prove impossible for Labour to recruite and retain the promised 6,500 new state school teachers (the fictitious funding from the PS VAT imposition to one side for the moment….)

It’s just more bullshit from these socialists.

It’s the gaslighting of everyone and the profession that gets me. The PM announced changes to teaching bursaries. He was congratulated for spending the VAT tax grab on recruiting new state teachers.

What people missed was, the bursaries were slashed and cut by massive amounts. Yeah they changed, to be a significantly worse offer. Not what Labour made out to the public at all. Wilfully misleading I would say.

Record numbers of patients are seeking treatment abroad to avoid long waiting times with the NHS.

New figures show more than half a million British patients left the UK for healthcare overseas last year, a 50 per cent jump in two years.

The NHS waiting list keeps rising and now stands at 7.41 million, despite a £25bn cash injection from Rachel Reeves.

Access to NHS care is now so difficult that experts have claimed people are putting themselves at risk of complications by seeking healthcare abroad.
Turkey, Poland, Romania, Portugal, India and Italy were the most popular destinations, with hip and knee replacements and cataract surgery among the most common procedures sought abroad, along with dentistry and cosmetic work.

Regulation of clinics abroad is mixed, while patients travelling thousands of miles for operations risk suffering ill effects from treatment after they return home.

Wes Streeting, the Health Secretary, said: “It’s appalling hundreds of thousands of taxpayers have been forced to go abroad for medical treatment they should be accessing for free on the NHS.

“We are overhauling the NHS to put an end to the grossly unfair two-tier system we inherited, where people who can’t afford to seek care privately get left behind. There’s a long way to go, but in the first year of this Government we’ve already delivered over five million extra appointments and cut waiting lists by 206,000.

“Too many people are also being lured overseas for cheap cosmetic procedures, only to come home with life-changing complications that end up costing the NHS. That’s why we’ve launched a major drive to raise awareness of the risks and crack down on dangerous medical tourism.”

Figures from the Office for National Statistics show 523,000 people left the UK to seek treatment abroad in 2024, up from 431,000 in 2023 and 348,000 in 2022.

During those years, the NHS waiting list in England rose from 6.1 million to 7.4 million.

Clinics in Turkey typically offer hip replacements for between £6,000 to £8,000 – around half the price of private operations in the UK.

Senior Labour figures including Wes Streeting have said the government must show optimism and that it is bringing about change after losing a Welsh Senedd byelection amid rising concern about midterm fatigue and a loss of momentum.

Bit late for optimism now Wes, old son.

Your lot came into government on a wave of negativity, running the country down from the off.

Haha thanks

Loss of momentum?

They never had any to lose

Only found this

Eastern I do think even swing voters like me put off labour in recent years after Blair did feel some dim hope actually that fresh eyes and fresh policies may help to turn things around !

We will tread lightly on your lives...

Obviously very soon that little flame was extinguished.

Is anyone else having trouble with MN today? Its driving me mad glitching. Sorry if I haven't replied to anyone who quoted me, it won't let me!
Hopefully this post will upload.

I'm gonna take it as a sign to unplug for a bit. I have a Chinese on the way (singapore vermicelli), some new pyjamas, and Riot Women to watch on the telly.

Night all. Enjoy your Sunday evening 💙