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Labour isn't working - Thread 15

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TheNuthatch · 26/10/2025 09:59

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government.

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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Upstartled · 30/10/2025 10:49

Julen7 · 30/10/2025 10:20

Yes it’s just the sheer entitlement and the expectation (or really the demand) that once you’re in receipt of whatever benefit it should continue indefinitely. Welfare is supposed to tide you over but people have adopted it as a lifestyle.

Dependency breeds learned helplessness. I'm begining to think we have hit a critical mass of adults who are barely functioning.

Julen7 · 30/10/2025 11:06

Upstartled · 30/10/2025 10:49

Dependency breeds learned helplessness. I'm begining to think we have hit a critical mass of adults who are barely functioning.

Agree!

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EasternStandard · 30/10/2025 11:12

Other countries do benefits based on contributions don’t they? And limited time. How much of an outlier are we on this and why

Wishihadanalgorithm · 30/10/2025 11:13

Upstartled · 30/10/2025 10:49

Dependency breeds learned helplessness. I'm begining to think we have hit a critical mass of adults who are barely functioning.

I can confirm this. I’m a teacher (in the private sector) and when I worked for 8 years in a small ex- mining town I taught children who were expecting to live on been fits as their parents and grandparents did. One preferred to sell drugs as it was easy money compared to being a teacher!

My own dad got to a certain age and after being made redundant lived off benefits until he died. He always had money for cigarettes and the pub but not for putting clothes in my back or food on the table.

These two experiences have taught me that with support comes entitlement. Not for everyone, but for many people.

The welfare bill has to be cut, enterprise has to be encouraged and rewarded and it has to be more attractive to go to work than stay at home.

I don’t understand how the Labour government don’t implement policies to do this.

It is almost like they are fiscally illiterate!

Upstartled · 30/10/2025 11:26

Barclays is forecasting that Reeves will be looking for £41bn in tax rises in the budget, up from their prediction of £26.5bn in September.

This is really bleak.

Nolletimiere · 30/10/2025 11:40

Labour could not get just GBP 5 Bn of cuts (to a future increase), because the entire country is being held hostage by their back benches and the unions.

Labour bribed them as soon as they took office.

IT’S MADNESS, UTTER MADNESS.

Reeves cried then, because she knew she was doomed.

THIS IS THE SIMPLE TRUTH.

Nolletimiere · 30/10/2025 11:42

Upstartled · 30/10/2025 11:26

Barclays is forecasting that Reeves will be looking for £41bn in tax rises in the budget, up from their prediction of £26.5bn in September.

This is really bleak.

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That’s right.

I can bore you all day with Bloomberg etc - it’s all relentlessly grim - and the worse part is - it will not stop on 26th November.

EasternStandard · 30/10/2025 11:44

Nolletimiere · 30/10/2025 11:42

That’s right.

I can bore you all day with Bloomberg etc - it’s all relentlessly grim - and the worse part is - it will not stop on 26th November.

Love hearing this stuff. Especially if Reeves and Starmer will feel it politically.

But generally I’m not in that world and it’s interesting.

EasternStandard · 30/10/2025 11:45

Nolletimiere · 30/10/2025 11:40

Labour could not get just GBP 5 Bn of cuts (to a future increase), because the entire country is being held hostage by their back benches and the unions.

Labour bribed them as soon as they took office.

IT’S MADNESS, UTTER MADNESS.

Reeves cried then, because she knew she was doomed.

THIS IS THE SIMPLE TRUTH.

Edited

Yes. That is why she cried. She had been feeling it since that vote the night or so before.

DancingFerret · 30/10/2025 11:45

Upstartled · 30/10/2025 10:49

Dependency breeds learned helplessness. I'm begining to think we have hit a critical mass of adults who are barely functioning.

Barely functioning until it comes to claiming benefits, at which point they become remarkably savvy at ensuring they get their full "entitlement".

DancingFerret · 30/10/2025 11:50

Nolletimiere · 30/10/2025 11:42

That’s right.

I can bore you all day with Bloomberg etc - it’s all relentlessly grim - and the worse part is - it will not stop on 26th November.

Bore away, please. I have a reasonable grasp of financial stuff, but not enough to kid myself we could do without our IFA.

TheNuthatch · 30/10/2025 11:53

Nolletimiere · 30/10/2025 11:42

That’s right.

I can bore you all day with Bloomberg etc - it’s all relentlessly grim - and the worse part is - it will not stop on 26th November.

No, not boring at all. I love your posts, you're an asset to the thread. You are far more clued up than I am on economics so I find it really interesting.

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TheNuthatch · 30/10/2025 11:59

Unlike Reeves, I am happy to admit that I am not an expert on economics. I am a keen amateur at best.
Also unlike Reeves and Rayner, I cannot use ignorance as an excuse for not paying what I owe, or breaking the law.

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Nolletimiere · 30/10/2025 12:15

EasternStandard · 30/10/2025 11:44

Love hearing this stuff. Especially if Reeves and Starmer will feel it politically.

But generally I’m not in that world and it’s interesting.

Thanks ES.

I will just post it for info in future.

Nolletimiere · 30/10/2025 12:28

7,236 comments on the DT re Reeves.

This is the top post - fully agreed with the poster.

What is so infuriating is that when Labour hypocrites get caught up in these scandals, it’s always “an honest mistake”.
Yet when it happens to normal people, they find themselves fined, pursued and harassed by these vengeful socialists.
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Nolletimiere · 30/10/2025 12:31

FT (Sorry format) 56 mins ago.

Chancellor Rachel Reeves could be ordered to repay more than £38,000 in rent after admitting breaching housing rules by unlawfully renting out her family home without a licence. Southwark council, which runs the borough where Reeves rented out the home, says tenants have the right to apply for a refund of their rent during the period in which the property was let out without a licence. Reeves rented out her family home for £3,200 a month after entering Downing Street last year, and the council states that repayment orders can cover “up to 12 months’ rent”, indicating that she could be liable for as much as £38,400. The council has also fined people for failing to rent out properties without a licence. In one instance last year, it imposed penalties of more than £3,000, split between the property owner and letting agent. Fines by Southwark Council for property licence breaches can be “unlimited”, although this is to cover significant breaches by landlords renting out unsafe properties, of which Reeves is not accused. Fines can be reduced for self-reported errors. The potential penalties the chancellor faces are of a similar magnitude to the £40,000 Angela Rayner, the former deputy prime minister, failed to pay in stamp duty, which led to her resignation in September. Reeves and her husband used a lettings agency to rent out the family home in Dulwich after they moved into a flat in Downing Street following Labour’s general election victory last year, according to people familiar with the matter. People close to Reeves said the chancellor did not receive advice that a rental licence was required. But Southwark council, like many local authorities, requires private landlords to obtain a “selective” licence to rent out property in certain areas. The estate agent Reeves used to rent out the property did not immediately respond to a request for comment. Sarah Jones, the UK’s policing minister, told Times Radio that Reeves would not be sacked. Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer said in a letter on Wednesday night that while it was “regrettable” Reeves had not sought the correct licence, he had concluded that an apology was sufficient after consulting with the ethics adviser Sir Laurie Magnus. Reeves consulted Laurie Magnus, pictured, about her breaching housing rules © Paul Quezada-Neiman/Alamy Starmer rejected the need for a formal investigation into a potential breach of the ministerial code, despite Conservative party leader Kemi Badenoch suggesting Reeves may have to leave her position. Labour MPs privately expressed dismay at Reeves’ error, drawing parallels with Rayner. The debacle comes as Reeves prepares what is expected to be a tax-raising Budget on November 26, with Labour trailing in opinion polls, despite promising last year that she would come back with further tax increases. “If the chancellor cannot even get on top of her own paperwork, how is she going to get on top of the country’s paperwork?” Badenoch said on Thursday. Recommended UK politics Budget, boats and a by-election Reeves has previously been a supporter of selective licensing by councils, praising Leeds city council’s decision to expand its selective landlord licensing policy to the Armley area of her constituency. On Wednesday, Reeves informed Starmer, as well as Magnus and the parliamentary commissioner for standards, according to her spokesperson, and described it as an “inadvertent mistake”. “As soon as it was brought to my attention, we took immediate action and have applied for the licence,” she added, saying she “sincerely apologised” for the error. The Daily Mail, which first reported the story, said Reeves had put the four-bedroom detached family home on the market at a monthly rent of £3,200 last year.

Nolletimiere · 30/10/2025 12:33

Thinking about it, Reeves has the air and abilities of someone who won a radio phone-in competition to become Chancellor…

It’s that kind of vibe, isn’t it?

Actually, make that the entire government.

Upstartled · 30/10/2025 12:35

Can you imagine being the person who is renting that house only to see your home plastered over every single newspaper, because your idiot landlord - who campaigned for a licensing scheme and for its expansion thereafter, forgot about it entirely and is now blaming the letting agents that you have to negotiate with to get anything done? 😱

Rivalled · 30/10/2025 12:39

Well, on the upside, they’ve won a year’s free rent!

LupaMoonhowl · 30/10/2025 12:42

I had no idea that some councils, and now seems a lot of them in London, had this scam going -I wonder if it is tax deductible. Even more delighted that I sold my rental property last c year as soon as this shower were elected.

Upstartled · 30/10/2025 12:46

Rivalled · 30/10/2025 12:39

Well, on the upside, they’ve won a year’s free rent!

Yeah, but in the home of one of the few people in the country who only just out-paces the favouribility rating of Prince Andrew - just before she hikes taxation by £41bn. I think I'd call it a day and get moving.

MantleStatue · 30/10/2025 13:19

Rivalled · 30/10/2025 12:39

Well, on the upside, they’ve won a year’s free rent!

But it's a 'family member'.

I want to hear more about that. How close is the family member. And do they get tax payer funding to live in rented accommodation....

Parsley4321 · 30/10/2025 14:50

JRM ❤️😜
@Nolletimiere love your posts super informative
I can vouch for the great unwashed that are benefit dwellers at the carboot sales everywhere. In pyjamas tattooed fake jewels in their faces feral kids with no teeth they are working the system to the max and we are all paying for it it’s getting worse

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