Labour isn't working - Thread 15

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A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government.

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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Looks like the dpp isn't prepared to take the hit on being blamed for the collapse of the China spying case. They are laying the collapse at the feet of Collins who was too squeamish to provide evidence that labelled China as an enemy. The dpp is saying that Collins knew for nine months that this would inevitably collapse the case. - Hard to believe that Keir had no idea with that timeframe.

You're not alone in your view. I'm not a fan of Reform either. Unfortunately in my constituency, the cons are a wasted vote. My priority is to remove my Labour MP, which will most likely mean voting Reform.
I just hope Reform sort their shit out if they are to form the next government, for all our sakes.

It's so odd to see Labour, Conservatives, LibDems and Greens all within the margin of error of one another.

Oh really, interesting.
I agree with you, there is no way that Starmer didn't know. This also brings the motivation for the Chagos mess back into sharp focus.

Labour haven’t listened to any go the good advice they’ve had from tax experts, economists to date.

wherever it falls in detail terms, we can guarantee there will be an increase in tax on a group that will squeal, that Labour can represent as ‘not working people’ and ‘restoring fairness’ to garner headlines and hide other tax changes or cuts that affect a broader base. We know this, they won’t change this MO.

my dc is upper primary age - since the third year of primary on, means more children have got their own phones, you go to a party (party!) of 10 year olds and they are all looking at phones or iPads. Educated parents - we seem to be powerless to say no due to them being socially excluded.

my dd is already one of the few without her own phone, and she’s not on the WhatsApp chats (WhatsApp - recommended age 13 plus).

My sentiments exactly. I always thought there was something squirreley about that deal and my money has been on a China appeasement or some such. Lets face it, Mauritius are in the pocket of China.

I was listening to a podcast this morning. The host said that gov insiders were finalising a definition of 'working people'. They will be defined as the lower 2/3rd of earners.

So when Labour say they will protect 'working people', it means those earning £45K or less (approx).
Anyone earning over £45K represents the top third, and will not qualify for protection as a working person.

Totally agree. The Greens are almost as bad as Reform, in their own warped way (like Labour but worse). They’re both a terrible prospect.

The Conservatives Have to become a viable option (which I’ll chose) again.

Good god. So what they really mean is anyone on any benefit or receiving top up benefits is a working person and everyone else can just fuck off? Oh that's going to go down well. DS will be reducing his hours now and he won't be the only one. He won't pay this shambles any more than he needs to!

Oh that's crazy, I wonder if they ever stopped to think what would happen if everyone on £45k+ stopped working?

Stamp duty thresholds haven't reflected inflation over the last 10 years and the direction of travel is to make them ever-more punitive.

So no trust of any level here...

The host said that gov insiders were finalising a definition of 'working people'.

Ha ha FFS. Bit fcking late Labour. Didn’t you think it was important to define the terms you campaigned on?

I’m getting working on ‘definition of a woman’, vibes. Which Keir also had a problem with. He thinks some women can have penises, father children, get whopping big (or small) hard ons. So they’d never understand that a working person, is one who works. Our country is run by these clueless nasty imbeciles.

Hmm... that's very close to the higher income tax threshold. Coincidence? I think not...

Yep. We live in a country where the gvt punishes workers and rewards non workers and benefit frauds. Super.

Sounds great. Not. What idiots they are.

Laffer curve

We’re thinking about stopping work, and claiming JSA. Sell the house give the money to a trusted friend or relative (we’re generous like that). Then we’ll go on the ‘what are you entitled to’ gvt website and see if we can get any more free money or a house. Then we’ll look online and find the websites telling us the keywords for any benefit forms. See what else we can claim.

Then when Labour get kicked out, we’ll start working again and buy a house.

Or we’ll move to the ME, where jobs are offered already.

It’s a puzzle.

They're going to put 2p on all bands of tax, then remove it from basic rate NI only, aren't they?

That extracts more money from pensioners, investors, higher and additional rate income tax payers, but doesn’t change net income for basic rate tax payers.

It also doesn't raise as much as even 1p on basic rate tax payers, whilst distorting pro-social behaviour.

It would be good not least because they have viable proposals on what to do.

Who the greens?? They’re as viable as a chocolate teapot.

Nooo do you know me at all @AbsentosaurusRex

The conservatives.

Greens are sink the titanic territory.

😂😂🫣 sorry. I’m in height peaked mode! I do know I should’ve known 😂😂

Coffee and work time, work will be less stressful than reading the news and MN news!!

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Yeah, that will be my husband dropping hours and me probably leaving teaching. Good to know that the people who bank roll the lower paid aren’t actually workers.

Hopefully no-one needs a GP, teacher, dentist or police officer soon. Obviously after around 5 years, these lowly professions aren’t workers anymore. Who needs them right?

I am sick of them confusing wealth and income. We have a high income but because of the cost and never ending tax we are not rich, we are comfortable. Broadest shoulders indeed, my mortgage says differently.

Absolute jokers.

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The Greens really wig me out. As a receptacle for gathering up the Momentum end of Labour, they are pretty useful at splitting the vote, but otherwise they are the worst of nutjobs.