If Starmer and Reeves fuck this budget, Labour will be out of power for ANOTHER generation.

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I was hopeful when Labour came into power - I hoped a calm sensible bunch of economic policies that would help to level things out a bit was on the cards and given that they had so long to prepare, I assumed they would spring into action and at least have some plans.

But now I’m just reading more articles about the huge swing towards Reform and I can’t believe it’s coming to this.

I actually live in Australia but I run a business in the U.K. and we have just had a second term of a very boring and sensible labour government over here who aren’t fixing things yet but they aren’t actively making things worse and I just think, it is possible to have a Labour government who don’t actively hate the richer people, but also are trying to work towards a more equal society.

What do you think is causing the main swing towards the right? Is it all the immigration stuff? Surely that can’t be everything?

Ah yes its the koolaid. There are zero economic commentators who think she is doing a good job. Even the ones interviewed by The Grauniad today are damning.

‘Not a fortune teller’ when relying on growth?

And then hammering SMEs so it doesn’t happen. Blimey

Yes their support has plummeted in just this short space of time they have been in government. The people who still believe in them and that we “just need to give them a bit more time” are extremely naive and easily sucked in. Starmer got what he wanted from the British public last year, he’s now discarded them. He doesn’t give a shit about them.

Rachel Reeves forecasted 2% growth in the GDP for 2025 this time last year. So far we have had 0 net growth in that time.

Do you agree that she was already aware of the Tories, austerity, Brexit and Liz Truss when she told the nation that she could engineer that growth with the levers that she had?

They'll be lucky to get their deposit back in some constituencies that they won in 2024 in 2029.

Funnily enough media I was watching - main stream - were all predicting it would be harder and that a black hole would suddenly be discovered.

It was never going to be easy but that was shouted down during the election time on here pointing that out. For all I can see they made things worse and have no grand plans they will follow through with.

They also keep trying to start old style class warfare - VAT on private schools and on small landlords - based mostly on ideology not most people reality. I had kids in failing state school if we'd had more money we'd have bought in best state school catchment never addressed nver mind kids with SEN drivedn out of state sector education. There were years before we were in postion to buy we needed to rent - our kids will be in that position -fairly soon - reducing amount of properties to rent will increase already high rents. Also rapdily getting fed up of high energy costs and refrain green energy will reduce prices but it never happening.

I’d also love to know how far they are getting with their grooming gangs enquiry. It seems to me they announced they’d do an enquiry after immense pressure but then nothing more seems to have been mentioned about it and I can’t see that they’ve even set the ball rolling. Starting to think they agreed to this enquiry just to shut people up. They were very much against it in the first place!

Don’t be ridiculous

i have asked this before - what do people expect them to have actually done in a year after 14 years of Tory fuck ups?

Oh here we go!

We would expect to see a government at least trying to sort out the country instead of putting every other fucking country first before ours for a start!

Not making it worse should at least be the minimum expectation surely?

Also choose another line. You’ve copied that one from Labour, it’s getting old now. I can tell you’re just naively listening to everything they want you to believe

Yep

I'd like to have a Chancellor who doesn't correctly identify growth as the most important element in our economy to afford well running services and important social safety nets in one breath and then goes on to hobble business at the knees in the next.

I think Rishi Sunak and Jeremy Hunt were starting to make a positive difference but it was too little too late after such a long and shambolic time in government for the Tories.

I’m disappointed in labour and dreading the next budget which I feel will be more pain for the middle classes. I am hoping that they will start to improve but we shall see. These things take time.

People are turning to reform because of populism. It’s a formula the right wing have historically used time and again to gain ground. I genuinely can’t see why people fall for it. If Reform come in Britain will crumble. Nigel Farage is a bad man, Brexit has been a disaster. He is a hypocrite and a liar with no feasible plan and he will destroy the NHS to the detriment of all.

Oh, I'd like them to have timely autumn budgets and don't drag their heels when the economy is already on its arse just so they have more time to pull together a comms strategy to insulate them from their own incompetence.

And, I'd like them to stop throwing money at the back benches as bribes to get their lifeless policies over the line.

It’s worrying in a way - they had SO long to come up with plans and just haven’t - it makes you wonder if the U.K. is so far gone it can’t be pulled back

It's not just a UK thing - France is in political turmoil - USA is as well - house prices are an issue in many other countries.

There a global geopoltical shift going on - supply chains re-adjusting . I've demogrpahers and economists point out there often economic stagnation when birth and death rates get level - Japan been economically stagnating for years. We're better placed than many other counrties - China doing well and massively investing in their infrastruture but they have looming demographics issues.

I am worried about here and in wider west the poor pool of poltical talent and do wonder what's causing that.

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This.

QUESTION.

For those of you on this thread who are still clinging on to your faith in Labour, which fiscal policy would Reeves need to announce on 26th November, for you to cut your ties to them?

Most other countries pay their workers a decent living wage, and/or have much more affordable housing.

The majority of benefit claimants are in work. The benefits are there so the government can subsidise businesses who don't pay their employees enough.

Many work, of course, but they work part time.

Only 37% of UC payments go to recipients who are in work.

Quick edit, it's 34%

Universal Credit statistics, 29 April 2013 to 12 June 2025 - GOV.UK https://share.google/kSZRbfckdwHaDTRI3

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