Labour isn't working - Thread 13

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A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government.

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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Morning all, absent for a few days so just catching up.

Re DB pensions conveniently not falling under IHT, DH has a military DB pension which has paid out since the day he left at 45 (after 20 years service). If something happens to him I get 50% and if the DC are under 18 an additional 25% per child (up to the max 100%) until they turn 18.

Now don’t get me wrong, it’s been a huge help having his pension coming in (particularly when he was unemployed for 9 months last year), but it does feel perverse that he’s been paid a pension from the age of 45. It may just be a military thing, but I wonder if all Government DB pensions pay in the same way? Surely a huge saving could be made by saying you can’t claim until 55 when all the regular military pensions kick in for those who have done less than 20 years service?

Re the gambling taxes, we had a big discussion about it a few threads ago. As someone working in the racing industry we are all really worried about it. It’s perverse that they’re actually considering measures that will damage an industry in which we are a world leader with an economic contribution of £4billion+ per year. But hey, this is the Party of Envy and anything they consider to be the pursuit of the wealthy must be abolished.

Someone talking about gambling taxes (Bet Fred on R4) and the proposals meaning closures and job losses. 7000 jobs in one case.

Ik Labour will find going for gambling and private schools an easy win as it’s easy people to hit. People will keep gambling but find another way to do it, and will off shore it as has happened in other countries.

Many already gamble on non UK websites.

Went to a party last night (left relatively early).

The guests were a mix of expats and Brits - professionals, recent retirees and a state school head. The mood was unrelentingly ‘WTF are these Labour guys doing?’ Evidently a significant number have left already (many returning home), a couple of husband/wife pairs had retired early, and others were actively contemplating what to do. A number of the Brits evidently felt politically homeless.

What a mess.

The Times today: Katie Lam: head girl, immigration hardliner — and the Tories’ new hope

In April … Lam caused a stir by reading out graphic descriptions of gang rape on the floor of the Commons.

“I felt very strongly about this because it’s an issue about which we’ve been so deeply dishonest as a society,” she says. “Refusing to acknowledge the truth has led to untold suffering for tens of thousands of children.”

Lam is furious at how slow the promised grooming enquiry has been to emerge. “We’ll have to fight every step of the way for an inquiry,” she says. “I actually have sympathy with people who dismissed this story at first. If you look at it on paper, you think this is obviously a conspiracy theory.

You’re seriously telling me that a bunch of men from Pakistan or descended from people who came from Pakistan operated in family clans across the country, kidnapping children and sexually torturing them?

This doesn’t seem plausible, but it is true.

My sympathy evaporates when [people] come to see the truth and don’t act accordingly.”

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“Put simply, the international rules-based order is based on the idea that everyone would want to be nice to each other post-war. The reality is that’s not true and loads of people will exploit that generosity. If we’re not going to stand up for ourselves, we will lose the most precious things that we have.”

https://archive.ph/Waerz

She’s an option. As the article says, perhaps the conservatives need a younger generation leadership to move on.

I’m sure but if taxes go up places here will close and that reliance on offshore goes up. Tax receipts go down. People think great gambling is bad let’s stop it but really people who do want to do it still will just in other ways.

I agree with that conclusion in that statement @AbsentosaurusRex

Of course, what I meant is that it's easy and already available.

so jobs will be lost, tax revenue will diminish and money will flow outside the UK.

Yes and loneliness. People might scoff at anyone going to a Bet Fred but people also go for community reasons. Take that away and then what

That’s true, good point. They’re quite a regular community aren’t they. Always seem happy enough when I’ve walked past the ‘local’ betting shop.

The online ones not so much

God Ed Miliband follows the Starmer bullying tactic with Kemi. These threatened pathetic men.

I worked for the DWP in Covid it was an eye opener my sons father still does in London he does not see any claims for single people less than £2k a month and families regularly get £7/80k a year. I know a few people who have never worked 5 kids different dads mobility car etc etc

I genuinely think it will change. Like with immigration - people ignore the working classes. On the estate I worked on people were far angrier about people who managed a life on benefits rather than any middle class friends I have. If you expect people to work full time at Tesco, or on zero hours contracts they aren't going to be happy that people have virtually the same standard of living but with all the time in the world.

Miliband - the very definition of a ‘wet’.

The proles will only be permitted rationed state ‘victory’ vodka.

Good morning 😁

Welcome to the new names on the thread. Great to have you on board.

I was just about to write a post about Ed M, but you've beat me to it. How is he a government minister? Even Labour must have better talent somewhere. Pathetic.

Really impressed by Katie Lam. She is definitely one to watch in the future.

So true!

Agree. Its about fairness, particularly when many people are really struggling to get by whilst working their arses off.
If Labour or Reform lift the 2 child cap, there will be some eye-watering amounts claimed. I can see the headlines already.

Brace yourself, England, you're about to get the Scotland treatment and watch your most treasured scenery and environments covered in wind farms, pylons and BESS. Plus solar panels in agricultural land which is even further than the SNP have dared to go.

One of the biggest solar farms is due to go up near me. We’re not directly affected in our village but it is only a few miles away and our roads will be clogged with construction vehicles, not to mention the loss of prime East Anglia farming land.

The solar firm have behaved abominably- lied on their applications about some of the land they wanted to use, claimed it was brown field when it was in fact grazing land for stud farms.

Ed Milliband approved the plans within weeks of the election. Of course I equally blame the last Conservative government too as they sat on the application for 2 years and could have kicked it out before Ed got his hands on it.

What does this mean, introducing a band I on properties worth over 1m. We have an ex council house worth 500k. I would say this is going to cripple people with a modest house in the South.

observer.co.uk/news/national/article/30bn-and-counting-a-labour-budget-strategy-that-could-make-the-revenue-numbers-add-up

I'm so sorry, it's horrendous, isn't it? Up here we're dealing with the Beauly to Spittal super-pylon line that's going to cause up to five years of major disruption and leave us with the giant eyesore pylons. Yet somehow we'll stilll pay through the nose for electricity. No upsides at all, and the downsides are vast.

Sorry, this is a Labour thread, not SNP, but we're where England will be in 5/10 years time on that front and it's not good. It's all European companies, Chinese investors and imported workers as well so the "jobs and investment" is bullshit too.

But the other thread says it fine 🙄

But the other thread says it fine 🙄

Until it's a BESS on fire next to their house 😂

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