Labour isn't working - Thread 13

[TheNuthatch]

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government.

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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What’s going on? This is madness

Perhaps we should all go on Amazon, order a crucifix and a star of David and walk around wearing both.

An ample demonstration of the fish rotting from the head, I would say…

It's beyond rationality, isn't it? To see the police, our police, mobilised in a manner that becomes part of apparatus of this hatred for Jews?

Rachel Reeves is considering increased taxes on higher-earning families to bankroll a cut in poorer household’s energy bills.

The Chancellor is being told to shift the cost of social-care and net-zero levies from electricity bills and on to general taxation. Such levies are worth an annual £3.5bn.

Reeves confirmed last week that she was committed to “targeted action” to bring down energy bills for poorer households in her autumn Budget.

The Resolution Foundation, an influential think tank that has close ties to Labour ministers, has presented Ms Reeves with the proposal.

Oh, do FRO, Reeves.

This is what happens when you use so many groups as the ‘enemy’ to bolster political gain. Those groups hit back however they can. This is ALL on Labour.

Their grubby, mean rhetoric and lies changes behaviour.

@Nolletimierere your energy post, relentless from them.

I mean, we already kind of do this, part of our utility prices cover the cost of the warm front (eco)/ warm home discounts which are made to poorer households. It's just that this government mandated redistribution is administered by private companies.

So, presumably this new state administrated redistribution will be in addition to the above?

The way I read it, the subsidy for poorer households is currently baked into the electricity bill. So the value of the subsidy is slightly less than the headline figure, since the cost of the subsidy is shared out equally amongst all customers (including those receiving it).

By moving it into general taxation, then due to progressive taxation none of the cost of the subsidy falls on the poorer households... or indeed most UK households.

Instead almost the entire cost of the subsidy will fall on - you guessed it - the few % of the population who the government hate aka the broad shouldered.

God I've come to hate that phrase.

Oh right. So they're suggesting the whole burden should be put on the wealthiest? 🙄 Oh man, I hope we aren't getting some SNP version of broad shoulders

Levelling down

It’s not the phrase ‘broadest shoulders’ that irks me,
it’s the constant mis-positioning, as if we’ve all been eating caviar, living the high life and not paying our fair share until the country was saved by good thinking Labour people…

There are all sorts of hidden extra benefits to many db schemes - much better built in ill health retirement provisions for one, whereas if you can’t pay into your dc scheme due to ill health, well, that’s that. Leaving aside the massive employer subsidy for public sector / quasi public sector staff.

MP for Blackburn, Adnan Hussain, says hating Israel isn't enough. That Israel is a monstrosity and that anyone who disagrees does not see Muslims as human in response to the backlash on the Maccabi Tel Aviv ban.

What does he propose would be enough, exactly?

I'm not sure if he didn't accidentally say the silent part out loud there. We can only be left wondering what is enough, nothing good.

No. It wasn’t accidentally said out loud. They have a bizarre sense of righteousness. I’ve got friends with this view. I pull them up on it and they double down.

Well, he didn't go on to say what he thought was enough. Regardless, it still sounds like an incitement to violence from an elected member of parliament.

Where did you see that @Upstartled? Sounds really seriously bad.

Just in the Telegraph, here:

MP backing Tel Aviv football fans ban says ‘hating Israel isn’t enough’

www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/3b62d42c1995617d

I wonder how she defines "higher-earning families"? HR taxpayers, maybe? If so, she's not taking into account fiscal drag thanks to the freeze on personal allowances, but then I doubt she cares.

Thanks. That’s really bad. We’ve messed up to get to this point.

A dear friend of mine who owns a small engineering works (20 employees) has just moved his headquarters to Jersey in the hope he can avoid a monumental bill next year. If it doesn't work, he's closing the business.

It looks like I finally have the holiday let business rates which will be no tax as both small however reason for the delay 18 months shd be 90 working days bullshit is because there is a back log of 18000 people wanting to change because of double council tax obligations so instead of getting any council fav the government will get fuck all

Perfick.

In Wales you have to let for 182 days or pay exorbitant tax. DIL just squeaked in last year and again this year. Others are looking at horrendous bills .

Is there a minimum income expected or could you rent it out for peanuts to get you over the line?

Blair is suggesting that we should have income tax cuts, dropping the higher rate threshold to below 40% - in order to promote growth and productivity.

I bet Reeves and Starmer are really pleased he made his thoughts public 🤣