Labour isn't working - Thread 12

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A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government.

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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I've also been spending less on services.

I have a gardener twice a year, but I will cut that down to once, the window cleaner's visits have also been reduced.

Got the sewing machine out and mended some bedlinen instead of buying new.
Do my own nails and hair colour.

I realise it affects some small businesses but I need to make cuts in anticipation.

Good morning 😁

Thanks for the share @Rivalled. All this kite flying is damaging. 'Lingering fiscal uncertainty' is a good descriptor or where we are, not helped by a very late budget.

Whilst I agree, I don’t know why everyone is so shocked that folk have “fallen” for the latest set of political lies? People were absolutely brainwashed by the conservatives, lied to about brexit etc, too. People will ALWAYS be lied to, no matter what government they have, and people will always fall for it. And then folk will come on MN and call them fools. We’ve all been fools at some stage or another. Cannot wait for the comments after Reform get in… or maybe, I can.

No. Appalling Labour gvt or not, we are still lucky enough to live in one of the most civilised and safe countries in the world. It has its many problems and so do other countries.

That is very true.

@deadpantrashcan - it's because we are lucky enough to live in a high-trust society. Usually, most people do behave in a pro-social way... enough of the time, at least, that it's worth us assuming good-will, for the enormous advantages that living in a high-trust society brings. Not being able to trust others brings huge costs to a society.

It does feel like it's being eroded though. And politicians are playing more than their part in that.

This is interesting.

It confirms my suspicions that cost cutting is not likely to make any real difference - and at the local level will frequently be impossible anyway. Tackling eligibility for nationally controlled welfare is the only likely way to bring down public spending. We must pursue growth, obviously, but being shackled by state spending will inhibit growth.

Reform are not going to have any good financial record at council level over the next four years.

And at the national level they are handout-happy.

I’m pleased to see that the Tories have identified economic arguments as the key area for them. That’s the dividing line.

I reckon Farage is desperately hoping that there isn’t an economic crisis because he’d have to show his hand then. Just a bumping-along miserable economic situation is his preference.

https://archive.ph/yf0zx

I don’t think I’ve experienced much high-trust in my lifetime unfortunately. We’re absolutely a low trust society, now though.

I don’t think the constant picking on one group or another is helping - relentless going on about the ‘working class‘ and villainising farmers/pensioners/private schools/disability claimants etc etc. is dragging us further apart.

where are the social consensus building policies?
Labour have clearly conveyed that anyone outside of whatever it is they’re defining as working class isn’t who they’re for.

Saw our IFA yesterday, she said the sector is 95% certain that the cash ISA allowance is going to be slashed at the Budget, but they don’t expect them to do anything with the S&S allowance.

She said the main reason, from their point of view, was not to encourage more people to invest in S&S in an effort to boost the economy but rather it’s another stealth tax - the Government know that lots of people are nervous about S&S and investments so are planning on most people continuing to keep their money in cash which means they will end up paying tax on the interest.

FFS. How to penalise saving! How dare you are fiscally prudent and save yet need to be cautious and need east access to that money!

Not even working class. "Working people", which is very slippery to define.

In that case they should also slash the savings threshold for UC.

Yes agree. But they won't

On the subject of digital id, the Home Secretary Shabana Mahmood has said she sees it as a 'reframe of the relationship between citizen and state'. She has assured us though that it won't be checked every 5 minutes because she knows there would be 'mass civil disobedience '.

This has reinforced my suspicions that the purpose of digital ID is so the government can control us better. Thet want us to be obedient and do as we're told.

Everything that's been going on - the open borders and labour/the left silencing anyone who complains by calling them a 'fascist', people being arrested or sent to prison for tweets, secretly changing the law to suit their long-term agenda, the soon to be imposed restrictions on the right to protest ... I'm genuinely scared about what Labour is doing to our democracy and personal freedoms.

Well it’s easy to define.

Working people = people who work.

However the Labour Party are lying obfuscating hypocrites. So when they use the term working people, it only means some working people, not all working people.

Says it all.

Shares investing doesn’t benefit UK firms directly because of how we've destroyed faith in uk shares - most of the main funds have tiny amounts in uk firms.

it’ll be an interesting move for Labour re cash isas given the chat of an overheating stock market and a bubble. I can see that seriously backfiring for them.

God that Mahmood line is awful, I have no doubt that’s what Labour want to do.

I’m happy to see support has dropped after they announced it. It was just over half now much lower. That’s the Labour effect for you.

Tolerance is a British trait (some would argue as a country we're too tolerant for our own good), but as increasing numbers of people become disaffected, references to civil disobedience are becoming more frequent and the public mood seems to be turning ugly. It scares me witless.

@Pearlyjam yep

on the one hand, we do need to keep big pharma. On the other hand, where is this money coming from????

Billions more to be spent on medicine as Keir Starmer rips up rules

www.thetimes.com/article/e4f75be3-0b29-4740-8947-0174ee2ea66d?shareToken=92ddb7073b1ce3ea68667823b597d358

I think Kemi might have shot herself in the foot with this; arguably it's older people who tend to be Conservative voters - and they were probably in line for a few more votes from those affected by the WFA debacle.

https://archive.ph/1TI4X

He does have a point though. Young people are shafted. My own young adult children know this too. One is in third year of law degree doing a placement and living at home. The second one is taking a year out to work before studying pharmacology. They are both clever and hardworking. I worry they will never be able to afford to buy a house or have children. I doubt they would stick around if they got a better offer abroad. These are the facts for a growing number young people.

where is this money coming from????

That's the issue isn't it. If it can't come from the treasury, it will have to come out of existing NHS budgets. Which budgets and services will suffer?

I think there is some wriggle room electorally here. Perhaps there is a calculation that many older people have adult children who are struggling to buy a home etc, so would accept some changes?

It would need to be done with extreme care and thought though, which Labour are not capable of. As we have seen, they prefer the wrecking ball approach, without the required prior thought and due diligence.