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Labour isn't working - Thread 12

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TheNuthatch · 06/10/2025 23:28

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government.

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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Upstartled · 07/10/2025 11:38

It shouldn't mean a thing @MantleStatue, it's just the most basic right that we should all be able to get through our lives peacefully.

Meanwhile, I'm just green with envy that anyone has a local theatre that isn't just wall to wall pantomimes and tribute acts or anything that Labour might object to.

upseedaisee · 07/10/2025 11:42

MantleStatue · 07/10/2025 11:27

I took my two sons to the ballet a few months ago. They grumbled their little butts off about it. But they LOVED it. My older one who has learning difficulties said afterwards 'I clapped so hard my hands hurt'.

It's triggered an interest in him in classical music (It was Romeo and Juliet) that he did not really have before.

I hate to think that many children who may not generally access such things have now had even a school trip away from them.

This. Really glad they enjoyed it. This is what saddens me that if children are not exposed to history and the arts they may miss something that could be their calling.

Rivalled · 07/10/2025 11:47

And personally I wonder at the push to IT, econ, maths as leading to high earnings - all careers that’ll have numbers caving due to AI.

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MantleStatue · 07/10/2025 11:50

Interesting point I had not considered, @Rivalled

Upstartled · 07/10/2025 11:58

I think we'll need AI wranglers and we'll need them in all industries. The same way that we have an army of robots in industry and agriculture but we still need to manage and maintain it and manipulate it to our benefit.

I think we'll need to get onto that fairly swiftly if we don't want to be at the arse end of this and left with the dregs that serve the other countries in this race. So the push in stem makes sense to me.

Besides I've had my fill of the Humanities which seems to be content circling naval gazing drains.

EasternStandard · 07/10/2025 12:05

Upstartled · 07/10/2025 11:58

I think we'll need AI wranglers and we'll need them in all industries. The same way that we have an army of robots in industry and agriculture but we still need to manage and maintain it and manipulate it to our benefit.

I think we'll need to get onto that fairly swiftly if we don't want to be at the arse end of this and left with the dregs that serve the other countries in this race. So the push in stem makes sense to me.

Besides I've had my fill of the Humanities which seems to be content circling naval gazing drains.

Yep agree with you on this.

twistyizzy · 07/10/2025 12:08

Upstartled · 07/10/2025 11:58

I think we'll need AI wranglers and we'll need them in all industries. The same way that we have an army of robots in industry and agriculture but we still need to manage and maintain it and manipulate it to our benefit.

I think we'll need to get onto that fairly swiftly if we don't want to be at the arse end of this and left with the dregs that serve the other countries in this race. So the push in stem makes sense to me.

Besides I've had my fill of the Humanities which seems to be content circling naval gazing drains.

Nooooooo! DD 13 is obsessed with classics and philosophy 🤣🤣🤣
She refuses STEM much to DHs despair

Rivalled · 07/10/2025 12:08

Yes but we may not need as many of them as we have people currently working in IT - the whole push to AI is to save jobs and be something that can for the most part be run by less skilled resources.

we’ll see - very few options are safe and I do agree about the humanities naval gazing in some respects.

Rivalled · 07/10/2025 12:10

im a techie, both dc want to be scientists, dh is in a maths based career - i’m just saying as always, a broadly trained population doing what each does best is best in my view!

Upstartled · 07/10/2025 12:13

twistyizzy · 07/10/2025 12:08

Nooooooo! DD 13 is obsessed with classics and philosophy 🤣🤣🤣
She refuses STEM much to DHs despair

Okay, when I'm Queen, I'll allow a few but nobody is allowed to read all the post-modern/colonial/feminist texts until they've demonstrated a good and fair and historical grasp of the worlds they descended from. Do we have a deal?

twistyizzy · 07/10/2025 12:15

Upstartled · 07/10/2025 12:13

Okay, when I'm Queen, I'll allow a few but nobody is allowed to read all the post-modern/colonial/feminist texts until they've demonstrated a good and fair and historical grasp of the worlds they descended from. Do we have a deal?

Deal 🤣 to be fair she rates 1984 and Animal Farm as being prophetic depictions of where society is going now.

TheNuthatch · 07/10/2025 12:15

twistyizzy · 07/10/2025 12:08

Nooooooo! DD 13 is obsessed with classics and philosophy 🤣🤣🤣
She refuses STEM much to DHs despair

Don't panic 😂
DD1 is exactly the same. She has zero interest in STEM whatsoever. Its just not who she is.
She is currently an Uni studying fine art. Lord knows what job she'll end up with, but she's happy 😊.

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TheNuthatch · 07/10/2025 12:16

Upstartled · 07/10/2025 12:13

Okay, when I'm Queen, I'll allow a few but nobody is allowed to read all the post-modern/colonial/feminist texts until they've demonstrated a good and fair and historical grasp of the worlds they descended from. Do we have a deal?

😂😂

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EasternStandard · 07/10/2025 12:20

twistyizzy · 07/10/2025 12:15

Deal 🤣 to be fair she rates 1984 and Animal Farm as being prophetic depictions of where society is going now.

@twistyizzysame here, good on her.

I have two tech / STEM and one more humanities.

EasternStandard · 07/10/2025 12:57

I mean the youngest is young so hard to tell. She loves singing and writing, AI could even take the first one, I hope not.

TheNuthatch · 07/10/2025 13:18

EasternStandard · 07/10/2025 12:57

I mean the youngest is young so hard to tell. She loves singing and writing, AI could even take the first one, I hope not.

It's so hard to predict what the future holds with AI. It has the potential to impact every profession.
I have learned the hard way with my dc trying to steer them to what I think they should do. I convinced my eldest to do engineering and tech originally, as he is so good at Math and Science. He got 9s at GCSE, then 3 As in the sciences at A level. A few weeks before he was due to start uni, he had a massive wobble and dropped out. He grabbed his savings and buggered off on a gap year. He flew to Qatar with just a backpack, alone at 18 😬. It was fucking terrifying.

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Upstartled · 07/10/2025 13:25

TheNuthatch · 07/10/2025 13:18

It's so hard to predict what the future holds with AI. It has the potential to impact every profession.
I have learned the hard way with my dc trying to steer them to what I think they should do. I convinced my eldest to do engineering and tech originally, as he is so good at Math and Science. He got 9s at GCSE, then 3 As in the sciences at A level. A few weeks before he was due to start uni, he had a massive wobble and dropped out. He grabbed his savings and buggered off on a gap year. He flew to Qatar with just a backpack, alone at 18 😬. It was fucking terrifying.

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Oh man, I don't think I have acquired the necessary mettle for having adult kids yet.

Absentosaur · 07/10/2025 13:27

oo @TheNuthatch bit of a shock i’m sure 🙈🙈. how is he doing now? Still in the ME?

Gap years are a good idea, a lot of the time. I’d be happy for mine to do gap years.. I did one before and after first degree uni.. wouldn’t change it.

TheNuthatch · 07/10/2025 13:37

He's great now thanks. He never came back to live in the UK, but he needed some time to work out what he wanted to do.

He ended up volunteering for 6 months at a clinic in Africa, and met some Swiss medical students there. Next thing I knew, he was living with them and signed up to med school in Europe.
He's a doctor now, and thriving.

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DancingFerret · 07/10/2025 13:40

My gap year involved volunteering in Lesotho; it left me with lifelong impatience with people who don't recognise the luxury that is potable water in your own home delivered at the turn of a tap.

Barbadossunset · 07/10/2025 13:45

The Foreign Office reportedly opposed the prosecution, believing that a courtroom discussion about China’s espionage would upset Communist Party officials in Beijing.

This Chinese spying story is weird. Obviously the Labour Party and civil servants are hand in glove with the CCP.
Imagine the uproar if two Britons were caught spying for a fascist regime and the case was dropped.

EasternStandard · 07/10/2025 13:50

TheNuthatch · 07/10/2025 13:37

He's great now thanks. He never came back to live in the UK, but he needed some time to work out what he wanted to do.

He ended up volunteering for 6 months at a clinic in Africa, and met some Swiss medical students there. Next thing I knew, he was living with them and signed up to med school in Europe.
He's a doctor now, and thriving.

Fantastic

Barbadossunset · 07/10/2025 13:52

My ds spent part of his gap year in Columbia working in a hotel which he loved.
One of his duties was organising games in the swimming pool and he learnt some new ones, for example dropping towels in the pool then wringing them out into a plastic water bottle and first to fill it up was the winner.

TheNuthatch · 07/10/2025 14:02

DancingFerret · 07/10/2025 13:40

My gap year involved volunteering in Lesotho; it left me with lifelong impatience with people who don't recognise the luxury that is potable water in your own home delivered at the turn of a tap.

My ds would agree with you whole heartedly. He was at a clinic in the arse end of nowhere in Tanzania. As you say, clean running water and fridges were rare.
He still goes to work in similar settings.

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TheNuthatch · 07/10/2025 14:04

Barbadossunset · 07/10/2025 13:45

The Foreign Office reportedly opposed the prosecution, believing that a courtroom discussion about China’s espionage would upset Communist Party officials in Beijing.

This Chinese spying story is weird. Obviously the Labour Party and civil servants are hand in glove with the CCP.
Imagine the uproar if two Britons were caught spying for a fascist regime and the case was dropped.

It is very weird this story. Something doesn't smell right at all.

Laughing at the pool game 😂

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