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Labour isn't working - Thread 12

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TheNuthatch · 06/10/2025 23:28

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government.

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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EasternStandard · 10/10/2025 10:51

Rivalled · 10/10/2025 10:45

We all suspected digital ID only had ‘value’ as a stalking horse for enhanced state control.

Of course. It’s rotten.

MantleStatue · 10/10/2025 10:56

Up till now I was angry about this government. Angry at their venal incompetence and their gleeful spite. Often incredulous at their sheer lack of ability to think through the logical consequences of their fiscal policies.

What's been posted above about 13 year olds having digital ID and their ultimate plans for schools and what this means about their real aims has now filled me with fear.

Catatemyhomework · 10/10/2025 11:12

There's a thread currently running in money matters. Wish I hadn't read it. Makes me wonder why we bother. No wonder the country is fucked.

Interested in this thread?

Then you might like threads about this subject:

EasternStandard · 10/10/2025 11:30

Catatemyhomework · 10/10/2025 11:12

There's a thread currently running in money matters. Wish I hadn't read it. Makes me wonder why we bother. No wonder the country is fucked.

I haven’t seen it but mn really is the last of the Labour loyalty.

twistyizzy · 10/10/2025 11:35

Bretforton & Offenham (Wychavon) Council By-Election Result:

➡️ RFM: 43.5% (New)
🌍 GRN: 25.9% (New)
🌳 CON: 20.1% (-35.4)
🌹 LAB: 4.0% (-25.9)
🔶 LDM: 3.8% (-10.8)
🙋 Ind: 1.5% (New)
🙋 Ind: 1.2% (New)

Reform GAIN from Conservative

twistyizzy · 10/10/2025 11:36

Lloyds & Corby Village (North Northamptonshire) Council By-Election Result:

➡️ RFM: 38.5% (+2.1)
🌹 LAB: 32.4% (-11.8)
🌍 GRN: 18.9% (+9.7)
🔶 LDM: 5.8% (+1.5)
🌳 CON: 4.4% (-1.5)

Reform HOLD.

twistyizzy · 10/10/2025 11:37

Aggregate Result of the 122 Council By-Elections (for 125 Seats) since the 2025 Local Elections:

RFM: 47 (+40)
LDM: 32 (+10)
CON: 13 (-15)
LAB: 12 (-30)
GRN: 11 (+3)
Ind: 5 (-4)
Local: 3 (-3)
SNP: 1 (-1)
PLC: 1 (=)

Mantari · 10/10/2025 11:45

Interesting results.
There were 3 other by-elections last night as well. Results:
an indie gain from Labour
a Lib Dem hold and
a Lib Dem gain from Conservatives.

twistyizzy · 10/10/2025 11:48

Mantari · 10/10/2025 11:45

Interesting results.
There were 3 other by-elections last night as well. Results:
an indie gain from Labour
a Lib Dem hold and
a Lib Dem gain from Conservatives.

Thanks will check and update

twistyizzy · 10/10/2025 11:49

Kenn Valley (Teignbridge) Council By-Election Result:

🔶 LDM: 50.4% (+11.0)
➡️ RFM: 23.1% (New)
🌳 CON: 9.6% (-19.0)
🙋 Ind: 8.2% (New)
🌍 GRN: 5.5% (-13.9)
🌹 LAB: 2.7% (-9.9)
🙋 Ind: 0.5% (New)

Liberal Democrat GAIN from Conservative.

twistyizzy · 10/10/2025 11:49

Aughton & Holborn (West Lancashire) Council By-Election Result:

🏘️ OWL: 35.5% (+10.4)
➡️ RFM: 24.1% (+18.6)
🌹 LAB: 19.4% (-21.3)
🌳 CON: 14.9% (-8.7)
🌍 GRN: 3.9% (-1.1)
🔶 LDM: 2.1% (New)

Our West Lancashire GAIN from Labour.
Changes w/ 2024.

twistyizzy · 10/10/2025 11:49

Skelton East (Redcar & Cleveland) Council By-Election Result:

➡️ RFM: 65.3% (New)
🌹 LAB: 19.2% (-10.7)
🌳 CON: 13.9% (-29.4)
🔶 LDM: 1.5% (-1.5)

No Ind (-23.7) as previous.

Reform GAIN from Conservative.

twistyizzy · 10/10/2025 11:50

Widcombe & Lyncombe (Bath & North East Somerset) Council By-Election Result:

🔶 LDM: 44.4% (-11.8)
🌍 GRN: 15.4% (+0.6)
🌹 LAB: 12.2% (+4.7)
➡️ RFM: 11.9% (New)
🌳 CON: 8.6% (-12.8)
🙋 Ind: 4.8% (New)
🙋 Ind: 2.6% (New)

Liberal Democrat HOLD.

strawberrybubblegum · 10/10/2025 11:52

twistyizzy · 10/10/2025 10:30

Well interestingly, hidden within the Schools Bill is this:

That schools bill really is very concerning. There's a petition out around it which has unfortunately had far less support than the digital ID one. Do have a read through the schools bill, and sign the petition if you disagree with it.

Think about whether you would want a council employee to have the power to decide that your child should be forced into a school (of their choice if you can't afford private) - with you subject to criminal prosecution if you don’t comply - regardless of the consequences to their physical and mental health.

There is no equivalent in adults - that we are forced to go into a specific workplace against our will, and subject to criminal prosecution of we don't. That would be slavery! Yet this bill brings that in for children. I find it a really, really worrying bill.

twistyizzy · 10/10/2025 11:55

strawberrybubblegum · 10/10/2025 11:52

That schools bill really is very concerning. There's a petition out around it which has unfortunately had far less support than the digital ID one. Do have a read through the schools bill, and sign the petition if you disagree with it.

Think about whether you would want a council employee to have the power to decide that your child should be forced into a school (of their choice if you can't afford private) - with you subject to criminal prosecution if you don’t comply - regardless of the consequences to their physical and mental health.

There is no equivalent in adults - that we are forced to go into a specific workplace against our will, and subject to criminal prosecution of we don't. That would be slavery! Yet this bill brings that in for children. I find it a really, really worrying bill.

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Yes I vehemently oppose the Schools Bill and have signed the petition. Katherine Birbalsingh tried to warn everyone of its dangers!

Pearlyjam · 10/10/2025 12:23

strawberrybubblegum · 10/10/2025 05:50

It's a tricky one.

I likewise feel like I'm watching the new grad suddenly running the board. This government don''t seem to have the slightest clue about how to think through ideas and consequences - working on evidence not opinions - and spot and drill into areas of uncertainty or risk: discipline which is second nature to anyone who has worked at a reasonably senior level. I'd expect it from a junior: I'd expect them to come back several times thinking they've finished, and have to give guidance on what else is needed... but I'd have started them with something easy and not too significant: not foreign policy or the budget!

But isn't this the support which the civil service are meant to provide?

It's actually fairly fundamental to our democracy that anyone can go into politics. It comes back to the concept that our MPs are meant to be our representatives, not our rulers.

I'm not sure what's gone wrong? Is it classic Dunning-Kruger in this government - that they see themselves as so above us that they don't realise what they don't know and don't accept the support of the civil service? Or has the civil service gone into decline: or perhaps they've never actually given that support we'd expect, but better/more experienced governments have had at least a few key individuals who have made up for deficits in the civil service with their own strengths?

Certainly the complexity of managing a country like the UK seems to be vastly underestimated - by both the government and voters - and (as our thread title!) it currently just isn't working.

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I think that unfortunately, many leaders within the civil service are also incompetent. Too many have spent their entire careers in the public sector and lack a genuine understanding of how business and enterprise operate. They know how to spend, and often waste, public money, but not how to generate growth or drive efficiency.

Often people in the civil service are appointed/promoted not on merit but because the tick certain boxes, so we're not necessarily getting the best talent. I've seen examples of woefully incompetent people in very senior roles. They wouldn't last 5 minutes in the private sector.

Corruption is another issue altogether. From vote-rigging to self-serving behaviour, too many within the system act in their own interests rather than the public’s. This culture of impunity mirrors what we see among politicians, making it increasingly difficult to trust either group to act responsibly.

Both the civil service and political leadership are in my opinion, in desperate need of reform. We need an independent investigation to identify and root out corruption, ensuring that those unfit for public office are removed. Sadly, I doubt this would ever happen, at least not in my lifetime.

Running a country to me should be treated like running a major corporation: focused on results, accountability, and performance, not ideology. Unfortunately, that’s not what we’re seeing today. Under Starmer’s leadership, personal ideology appears to be driving decisions rather than practical governance and in my view, he's screwing up this country.

Absentosaur · 10/10/2025 12:32

Catatemyhomework · 10/10/2025 11:12

There's a thread currently running in money matters. Wish I hadn't read it. Makes me wonder why we bother. No wonder the country is fucked.

Which thread? One of the many asking how to keep / claim benefits? What to do about a mortgage?

Absentosaur · 10/10/2025 12:38

Pearlyjam · 10/10/2025 12:23

I think that unfortunately, many leaders within the civil service are also incompetent. Too many have spent their entire careers in the public sector and lack a genuine understanding of how business and enterprise operate. They know how to spend, and often waste, public money, but not how to generate growth or drive efficiency.

Often people in the civil service are appointed/promoted not on merit but because the tick certain boxes, so we're not necessarily getting the best talent. I've seen examples of woefully incompetent people in very senior roles. They wouldn't last 5 minutes in the private sector.

Corruption is another issue altogether. From vote-rigging to self-serving behaviour, too many within the system act in their own interests rather than the public’s. This culture of impunity mirrors what we see among politicians, making it increasingly difficult to trust either group to act responsibly.

Both the civil service and political leadership are in my opinion, in desperate need of reform. We need an independent investigation to identify and root out corruption, ensuring that those unfit for public office are removed. Sadly, I doubt this would ever happen, at least not in my lifetime.

Running a country to me should be treated like running a major corporation: focused on results, accountability, and performance, not ideology. Unfortunately, that’s not what we’re seeing today. Under Starmer’s leadership, personal ideology appears to be driving decisions rather than practical governance and in my view, he's screwing up this country.

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As Tony Benn said, often:

Five questions Benn believed should always be asked of those with economic, social and political power:

• What power have you got?
• Where did you get it from?
• In whose interests do you use it?
• To whom are you accountable?
• How do we get rid of you?

Pretty much.

DrPrunesqualer · 10/10/2025 12:38

It’s already been reported Trump won’t get the Peace Prize and there was never a chance he would

Nolletimiere · 10/10/2025 12:48

DrPrunesqualer · 10/10/2025 12:38

It’s already been reported Trump won’t get the Peace Prize and there was never a chance he would

Time to short the NOK, then…

Might be too late.

TheNuthatch · 10/10/2025 13:48

Thanks for all the by election results @twistyizzy. There seems to be an anyone-but-labour trend.

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EasternStandard · 10/10/2025 13:55

TheNuthatch · 10/10/2025 13:48

Thanks for all the by election results @twistyizzy. There seems to be an anyone-but-labour trend.

Thanks from me too, surely even the most diehard Labour can see their policies are tanking with voters.

twistyizzy · 10/10/2025 13:55

EasternStandard · 10/10/2025 13:55

Thanks from me too, surely even the most diehard Labour can see their policies are tanking with voters.

I doubt it 🤣🤣🤣

twistyizzy · 10/10/2025 13:58

EasternStandard · 10/10/2025 13:55

Thanks from me too, surely even the most diehard Labour can see their policies are tanking with voters.

I think they just aren't mentioning the Reform wins

TheNuthatch · 10/10/2025 14:49

EasternStandard · 10/10/2025 13:55

Thanks from me too, surely even the most diehard Labour can see their policies are tanking with voters.

Nah, it's just bad comms and the media Confused

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