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Labour isn't working - Thread 12

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TheNuthatch · 06/10/2025 23:28

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government.

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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Absentosaur · 08/10/2025 21:00

DrPrunesqualer · 08/10/2025 20:57

They care nothing for the elderly

Weird really, when 21million people are over 50 in the UK. Capture that demographic and it’s a lot of votes.

InterestQ · 08/10/2025 21:08

I agree - Labour don’t give a shit about the elderly. They think “you don’t vote for us anyway so why should we give you anything”.

Add in the rural vote that they don’t even want, to that and that explains a lot.

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justasking111 · 08/10/2025 22:01

It's also in the Times of India and the Times.

EasternStandard · 08/10/2025 22:25

DrPrunesqualer · 08/10/2025 20:57

They care nothing for the elderly

They seem to be trying to piss off as many people as possible and doing that bit well.

TwistyTurnip · 09/10/2025 01:21

StillFeelingTired · 08/10/2025 16:14

Lord I have no idea how I will vote next time. Lib Dem’s greens and labour no way, never. Tories have disappointed me. Reform I can’t stomach as a person with an IDLTR visa who has been here 25 years. I’m lost.

Sorry to hear that. That must be such a worry for you. I work in the public sector and Reform dont seem to think much of people like me. I’ve been a Tory voter all my voting life although I wasn’t especially happy with them during recent years. I like Kemi though and wish people would get behind and support her more. It’s sad to see them doing so badly in the polls. I’ve decided to stick to my principles come the next election and will vote Conservative again, regardless of where they are in the polling.

twistyizzy · 09/10/2025 07:40

This is shocking but ties in with the rise in violence, especially sexual violence, in state primary schools. Yet all Bigot does is bang on about soggy toast 😡

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c77d06vde4po

Graphic: Knives in foreground, in background children sitting at school desks.

Children as young as four taking knives into school, BBC finds

Incidents of young children bringing knives into primary schools have been revealed by a BBC investigation.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c77d06vde4po

twistyizzy · 09/10/2025 07:46

Westminster Voting Intention:

RFM: 33% (+3)
LAB: 20% (=)
CON: 19% (-1)
LDM: 14% (=)
GRN: 8% (=)
SNP: 3% (=)

Via @Moreincommon_,
3-6 Oct.

Yateley West (Hart) Council By-Election Result:

🔶 LDM: 54.7% (-20.4)
➡️ RFM: 27.9% (New)
🌳 CON: 17.3% (-7.5)

Liberal Democrat HOLD. But Reform as a new party there get nearly 30% of vote

Absentosaur · 09/10/2025 07:56

twistyizzy · 09/10/2025 07:40

This is shocking but ties in with the rise in violence, especially sexual violence, in state primary schools. Yet all Bigot does is bang on about soggy toast 😡

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c77d06vde4po

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Horrific. Poor teachers. Poor kids.

Maybe the tax on education can be used to pay for ‘metal-detecting "knife arches" ’ 😐

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twistyizzy · 09/10/2025 08:02

Absentosaur · 09/10/2025 07:56

Horrific. Poor teachers. Poor kids.

Maybe the tax on education can be used to pay for ‘metal-detecting "knife arches" ’ 😐

How the fuck are we in a situation where our schools need metal detectors?
Why aren't teachers and unions up in arms about this? Why aren't they demanding action from government? It's a conspiracy of silence and most parents won't be aware

Mantari · 09/10/2025 08:25

Sadly, knife arches/metal detectors are far from a new thing. I remember this (my brother lived in WF at the time):

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/5241347/Council-launches-knife-arches-in-schools.html

Nolletimiere · 09/10/2025 08:26

I am sorry to say, and this is not hyperbole.

There are enormous forces at play, globally, and Labour are absolutely the worse people to be running the UK at this time.

Gold has gone through 4,000 - the entire metals
complex is on fire, and the dollar is under attack as the worlds reserve currency.

Ageing demographics are inflationary, rearmament is inflationary, tariffs are inflationary.

I see it.

EasternStandard · 09/10/2025 08:29

twistyizzy · 09/10/2025 07:40

This is shocking but ties in with the rise in violence, especially sexual violence, in state primary schools. Yet all Bigot does is bang on about soggy toast 😡

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c77d06vde4po

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As young as four? That’s shocking.

twistyizzy · 09/10/2025 08:31

EasternStandard · 09/10/2025 08:29

As young as four? That’s shocking.

Yep why the fuck do 4 Yr olds (or any kid) feel they need a knife? Wtf is happening 😳

twistyizzy · 09/10/2025 08:32

Nolletimiere · 09/10/2025 08:26

I am sorry to say, and this is not hyperbole.

There are enormous forces at play, globally, and Labour are absolutely the worse people to be running the UK at this time.

Gold has gone through 4,000 - the entire metals
complex is on fire, and the dollar is under attack as the worlds reserve currency.

Ageing demographics are inflationary, rearmament is inflationary, tariffs are inflationary.

I see it.

I agree it's not hyperbole

Rivalled · 09/10/2025 08:34

I work with a fair number who live in the midlands - they’ve been saying it’s out of control for months,
that good, sensible kids are taking knives in for defence reasons because they’re getting threatened.

what an awful state of affairs.

twistyizzy · 09/10/2025 08:36

Rivalled · 09/10/2025 08:34

I work with a fair number who live in the midlands - they’ve been saying it’s out of control for months,
that good, sensible kids are taking knives in for defence reasons because they’re getting threatened.

what an awful state of affairs.

We need ex-teachers to whistle-blow. Seemingly the unions are complicit especially NEU + NUT because all they care about is politics + Palestine/Gaza.

Rivalled · 09/10/2025 08:38

I can’t understand why they’re not screaming about school violence and school funding either - bought off with pay rises?

twistyizzy · 09/10/2025 08:39

Rivalled · 09/10/2025 08:38

I can’t understand why they’re not screaming about school violence and school funding either - bought off with pay rises?

Yes 100%. Unions are out for the unions, not teachers or pupils.

IDareSay · 09/10/2025 08:50

This what I was talking about yesterday:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/8cfbe5f3351b7264

"This year, attending the Conservative Party conference for the first time since 1997, Michael Heseltine used a European Movement fringe meeting to speak up against the new direction.

He opened his speech with a forceful condemnation of the rise of Right-wing movements across Europe, singling out Reform as one of the “Right-wing equivalents of the fascists in the 1930s.”
The veteran peer also delivered a sharp critique of Ms Badenoch’s newly announced policy to withdraw the UK from the European Convention on Human Rights and the European Court. He argued, “If any changes are needed, the worst possible response is to walk away and abandon one of Europe’s most civilised achievements.”
Finally, he addressed growing anxieties surrounding the asylum system by saying that “the overwhelming majority of asylum seekers come here to embrace our values and escape persecution or civil war.”
Read this without context, and it is more than believable it had been uttered by Zack Polanski or Ed Davey. What is the advantage to the Tories of having this emerge from our ranks? Nothing; the Cameron coalition is not coming back. All it will do is convince the electorate that within our ranks lie dormant thousands of quiet Lib Dems and Greens, ready to betray them again as soon as we are back in power.
Singling out Reform, who are powered by tens of thousands of decent but disillusioned former Conservative voters as “fascist” will only fuel their resentment; whilst his comments on the widely-abused ECHR and asylum “system” betray his decades out of date political understanding. Hesletine ceased to be in Government in 1997; until the mid-1990s, net migration tended to be quite low and as likely to be positive as negative. He also lives in the 18th Century Palladian Thenford House in Thenford, Northamptonshire – which, according to the 2021 Census, is over 95 per cent white British."

Kemi must ditch the old Tory wets if she wants to save her party

Michael Heseltine’s comments on immigration policy would seem to suggest the Conservatives haven’t changed since the election

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/8cfbe5f3351b7264

EasternStandard · 09/10/2025 09:11

IDareSay · 09/10/2025 08:50

This what I was talking about yesterday:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/8cfbe5f3351b7264

"This year, attending the Conservative Party conference for the first time since 1997, Michael Heseltine used a European Movement fringe meeting to speak up against the new direction.

He opened his speech with a forceful condemnation of the rise of Right-wing movements across Europe, singling out Reform as one of the “Right-wing equivalents of the fascists in the 1930s.”
The veteran peer also delivered a sharp critique of Ms Badenoch’s newly announced policy to withdraw the UK from the European Convention on Human Rights and the European Court. He argued, “If any changes are needed, the worst possible response is to walk away and abandon one of Europe’s most civilised achievements.”
Finally, he addressed growing anxieties surrounding the asylum system by saying that “the overwhelming majority of asylum seekers come here to embrace our values and escape persecution or civil war.”
Read this without context, and it is more than believable it had been uttered by Zack Polanski or Ed Davey. What is the advantage to the Tories of having this emerge from our ranks? Nothing; the Cameron coalition is not coming back. All it will do is convince the electorate that within our ranks lie dormant thousands of quiet Lib Dems and Greens, ready to betray them again as soon as we are back in power.
Singling out Reform, who are powered by tens of thousands of decent but disillusioned former Conservative voters as “fascist” will only fuel their resentment; whilst his comments on the widely-abused ECHR and asylum “system” betray his decades out of date political understanding. Hesletine ceased to be in Government in 1997; until the mid-1990s, net migration tended to be quite low and as likely to be positive as negative. He also lives in the 18th Century Palladian Thenford House in Thenford, Northamptonshire – which, according to the 2021 Census, is over 95 per cent white British."

I agree with you @IDareSay

TheNuthatch · 09/10/2025 09:20

twistyizzy · 09/10/2025 07:40

This is shocking but ties in with the rise in violence, especially sexual violence, in state primary schools. Yet all Bigot does is bang on about soggy toast 😡

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c77d06vde4po

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That's awful to read. You're right, how can they prioritise useless breakfast clubs (that most schools already had a better version of), when this is going on.

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TheNuthatch · 09/10/2025 09:28

IDareSay · 09/10/2025 08:50

This what I was talking about yesterday:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/8cfbe5f3351b7264

"This year, attending the Conservative Party conference for the first time since 1997, Michael Heseltine used a European Movement fringe meeting to speak up against the new direction.

He opened his speech with a forceful condemnation of the rise of Right-wing movements across Europe, singling out Reform as one of the “Right-wing equivalents of the fascists in the 1930s.”
The veteran peer also delivered a sharp critique of Ms Badenoch’s newly announced policy to withdraw the UK from the European Convention on Human Rights and the European Court. He argued, “If any changes are needed, the worst possible response is to walk away and abandon one of Europe’s most civilised achievements.”
Finally, he addressed growing anxieties surrounding the asylum system by saying that “the overwhelming majority of asylum seekers come here to embrace our values and escape persecution or civil war.”
Read this without context, and it is more than believable it had been uttered by Zack Polanski or Ed Davey. What is the advantage to the Tories of having this emerge from our ranks? Nothing; the Cameron coalition is not coming back. All it will do is convince the electorate that within our ranks lie dormant thousands of quiet Lib Dems and Greens, ready to betray them again as soon as we are back in power.
Singling out Reform, who are powered by tens of thousands of decent but disillusioned former Conservative voters as “fascist” will only fuel their resentment; whilst his comments on the widely-abused ECHR and asylum “system” betray his decades out of date political understanding. Hesletine ceased to be in Government in 1997; until the mid-1990s, net migration tended to be quite low and as likely to be positive as negative. He also lives in the 18th Century Palladian Thenford House in Thenford, Northamptonshire – which, according to the 2021 Census, is over 95 per cent white British."

Yes I agree.
He hasn't held any sway for years, and is clearly completely out of touch. No idea what he thought he would achieve by sticking his oar in. He doesn't even understand where the battle lines are, let alone how to win.

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TheNuthatch · 09/10/2025 10:19

Starmer has spewed some twaddle, sharing a stage with Putin's mate - Modi. He took no questions from the press. None. Zero.

He has been praising the merits of digital ID, even though he has no legitimate mandate to introduce them in the UK.

He wants to help pubs by allowing them to open longer hours and praised their importance to communities.
'Pubs and bars are the beating heart of our communities. Under our plan for change, we're backing them to thrive'.

Has no-one explained to him the impact of putting up NI and minimum wage on the hospitality sector, who were already struggling with business rates and rising energy costs?

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