Poor teen jailed in Dubai has died

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I’ve just seen this. How utterly heartbreaking for his parents.
it makes me even more angry about the vindictive mother that reported him.
Just so so sad.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/met-police-car-chase-crash-teenager-dead-tottenham-london-b1251170.html

You are a white woman who repeatedly tries to appropriate tragedies in the Black community. So ghoulish. My heart breaks for this beautiful young man.

He wasn't in this country at the time was he!

The age difference was more likely 9/10 months - Marcus' legal team chose to fudge/lie about the age difference to the media. He was 19 last January - the girl is probably still 18, not quite 19.

So what? That's a perfectly normal age gap. They could be in the same school year.

That's a perfectly normal age gap

Nevertheless his legal team still fudged/lied about the age difference. They obviously thought it necessary to do so - he was nearly 19 when the case was in the media last year.

But not when they had sex.

For all those that think that police pursuits are inevitable and that 'if you fail to stop, it's on you' are misinformed.

A section 172 notice is a standard alternative to a pursuit which allows the police to compel the registered keeper of the vehicle to name the driver at the time of the failure to stop. It is served by post and the registered keeper has 28 days to respond.

If they fail to name anyone, they get 6 points, up to £1000 fine, and a criminal conviction. If they lie, they can get a jail sentence.

There are alternatives to racing around with blues and twos at high speed through urban residential areas with 30 mph speed limits in 2 tonne cars.

In fact, police pursuit policy requires officers to consider alternative action before requesting a pursuit.

I hope that consideration was carefully taken in this instance and the pursuit justified. The absence of any charges being brought against the driver other than traffic offences brings that pursuit authorisation into question.

I have no idea, as that is not what happened. Alas, whataboutary. What we do know, is that she reported a black 18 year old as he has sex with her Sikh daughter, which was consensual. We also know that the black 18 year old was arrested and incarcerated. One can speculate what would have happened, or not, if the boy had been white. Alas, he was not. And here we are.

Nevertheless, he was more than 'a couple of months' older than the girl as you suggested.

Yes, they thought it was necessary in order to protect their young black client. They most likely had insight and experience of he dehumanisation of black men in that culture.

Nevertheless, that girl consented. Which was too much for her mother to bear. So she reported Marcus in order to preserve the 'honour' of her family.

This is so tragic.
Must be absolutely horrendous for the parents and family.
May they find strength.
Deepest condolences. 💐

They fudged/lied to the British media, presumably to gain more support for his case - the Dubai authorities had his passport.

Agreed.

Possibly, but the mother isn't responsible for his death.

“dehumanisation of black men in that culture”? What colour do you imagine young Emiratis are, then?

This is heartbreaking. This young man had his whole life ahead of him and his family have already been through so much already when he was imprisoned in Dubai. Thoughts are with his family.

Did she report her daughter too, did she receive a jail sentence

Good god there is some bollocks being spouted on this thread, not to mention multiple chips on shoulders and I’ve seen at east one person already trying to turn it into a gender issue when a poster inadvertently said “they”.

Ultimately, teenagers killed while driving too fast and without a licence isn’t really news-worthy. Not because it isn’t tragic, it is, but because it’s not unusual.

The very reason why insurance for under 25’s is so expensive is because under 25’s are a much higher risk. They often drive too fast take stupid risks, this particular driver went several steps further and didn’t have a licence or insurance (he won’t have had insurance if he lost his licence) so one might ask how he’s managed to lose his licence so young already unless of course the car was stolen. It’s unlikely that a 19 year old would have their own bmw, most insurers wouldn’t touch it.).

It’s highly unlikely that Marcus didn’t know that his friend was a reckless driver, the charges are too numerous to not know that. And had he survived friends and family would probably have said he was an idiot for getting into a car with an uninsured and banned driver. But ultimately none of that matters. They both took stupid risks and he paid the ultimate price.

It was a needless loss of life, and it doesn’t need analysing any further than that.

As for comments about racism and how all of this happened because he was black, what a load of rubbish. People know absolutely nothing about the mother of the girl’s motives, and the driver was uninsured, had no licence and was driving at speed, having a black person in the car didn’t make any difference to that.

The fact that Marcus had served time in Dubai is entirely irrelevant, but is the only reason why we’re even hearing about this.

As for the girl’s mother, if she’s particularly devout, then maybe that’s why she reported him, who knows. Should it have happened? On the face of it, no. But the truth is that whether we agree with the law or not, he did break the law in Dubai, and not knowing the law isn’t an excuse. If you travel another country then you need to acquaint yourself with the laws of that country, especially a country like Dubai where the laws on drinking and sex are well known.

It’s a bit like these people who travel to Thailand and the like carrying drugs, and who then think the British government should bail them out when they get thrown in jail and even sentenced to death.

Marcus’s crime wasn’t on that level of course, but that doesn’t change the fact that he broke the law in another country.

And the mother is in no way responsible for his death.

So we all agree, religions the problem then jolly good glad we’ve cleared that up today. It’s not been a complete waste of an afternoon.

Fair. Maybe in bed because of an early start then?

If I remember correctly, the mother reported it to the Dubai police only after she and her daughter were back in England, but whilst the boy was still in Dubai. Had she reported it whilst still in Dubai, it is not unlikely that her daughter would have been imprisoned herself for having sex outside marriage.

Thank you for this post! Apparently, I'm "nuts" and "naive" (as three posters have called me on this thread) for saying this. Worrying how abusive and ignorant some people get when they don't think practically and clearly.

Not black.

I was the one who picked up ‘they’. It wasn5 to suggest it was a gender issue, but to ask why the passenger was lumped in with the offence. Fairly obviously, I thought.