Poor teen jailed in Dubai has died

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I’ve just seen this. How utterly heartbreaking for his parents.
it makes me even more angry about the vindictive mother that reported him.
Just so so sad.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/met-police-car-chase-crash-teenager-dead-tottenham-london-b1251170.html

I’ve been pulled over for a routine stop, am white. It felt really odd as police officer said my name in a questioning way which I wasn’t expecting, must have pulled insurance, asked my dob to confirm his colleague checked my tires and that was that. I’m insured, taxed, mot’d etc. so no reason to flag the car.

"perhaps the police just didn’t like the look of his and the driver’s faces"

A politician recently tried to use that one, but usually you can't see faces that well until the car has stopped.

I'm not a great fan of the UK police forces these days, but when the police tell you to stop, you stop and don't die in a crash. It's not rocket science.

You don't decide your convenience outweighs the chance of ending the lives of drivers and pedestrians, mothers with babies, toddlers and children on the way to school, all presumably keen to enjoy life too.

And? Like I said, I’ve never been stopped either. You don’t know my colour, sex, car or where I’ve lived over the years. That the two of us have never been stopped doesn’t mean it’s not common knowledge that not all stops are justified and that people do get stopped for spurious (or non-existent) reasons.

We do know. He wasn’t the driver. The offences which took place were driving offences. How on earth can he be culpable?

I know the only offences were driving ones. Ergo the passenger is not responsible. If other offences had been committed by the two of them, the driver would have been charged with them.

Most people get stopped at some point. I rode a m/bike when I was a teen and got stopped 13 times in one month. Seems the local constabulary had never seen a girl on a bike before. Boring but no big deal.

I got stopped at 11.50, NYE on the M25 one year and in Trowbridge at 5.20 am on Christmas morning. Bored coppers looking for something to do.

If you're legal, as I was, I really don't see the issue. Just pull over, say hello, breathe in a bag if that's what they want and on your way. Why do people make such a fuss about it?

We don’t even know the exact circumstances of the incident . We don’t know if Marcus told the driver to stop and he ( the driver )refused.
We don’t know if Marcus was even aware that the driver was uninsured
I am shocked by the posters maligning this young man without hearing the full facts .

Because people no longer trust the police after (as examples) Sarah Everard and the recent Panorama programme.

picture of crash scene on BBC https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3e7yyjw77qo

a very big expensive BMW for a 19yr old to be driving. The photo shows all the damage is on the driver side so I'm going to guess that Marcus was not wearing a seatbelt and possibly sitting in the rear of the car.

RIP.

We don’t know the only offences were that. We know that offence that has been charged is a driving one. We are unlikely ever to know the full circumstances. And we can’t draw any conclusion from the fact that Marcus has not been charged with anything, for obvious reasons. So, we can’t know.

to be fair, even if the police suspect that the passenger was committing an offence there seems little point in charging him given the outcome of the crash.

I honestly think we need to stick to what we know here and not speculation. I'm sure if the passenger was a woman, people wouldn't be talking about possible offences she may have committed.

The driver was driving. He was the one committing a crime. Full stop.

still interested in what he was doing in the car though

Casual interest, of course. But that has nothing to do with the fact that he was killed due to dangerous driving.

He was in a friend's/relatives car. It's not unusual to be a passenger in a car. Who knows where they were going or coming back from. Again, all that would be unnecessary speculation at this point which I'm sure wouldn't happen if the sexes were changed.

That still doesn't mean you refuse to stop. If worried, you park up, keep your doors locked and call the non-emergency number. Give the call handler the reg of the police car and check they are on patrol. Then set your phone to voice record, wind down the window and ask the police patrol what they want.

Me too. Misleading headline and information. It's nothing to do with Dubai, nor his driving skills.

The 19 year old driver had no licence, no insurance, failed to stop and has been charged with causing death by dangerous driving.
Marcus seems to have been in a car with a reckless person driving, unfortunately.

I can remember an aggressive ‘routine stop’ when I was in my teens. Late at night due to picking my mum up from a late shift at her second job as we were in huge financial shit at the time. The copper had his head in my window smelling my breath as I talked then kicked all my tyres hoping to find a bald one. Wanted to know why I was out and where I was going. This was thirty years ago and was very intimidating. I’m not surprised people don’t want to stop. Particularly if they are from a minority group.

Yes, unfortunately, trying to outrun them is a dangerous game, especially in an urban area. Better to have a few minutes worth of annoyance and inconvenience, surely?
Anyway. It had a tragic end for Marcus.

Why?

I disagree. Not stopping for the police is a stupid move especially when he could have recorded or asked the passenger to record the interaction for proof of anything untoward towards them. Many people now also go live recording while dealing with the police.

Engaging in police chase is suspicious behaviour, no excuses. It has now resulted in his friend's/relatives death which he'll have to live with for the rest of his life. He was extremely irresponsible.

My mother and friend had a similar experience to yours both mid seventies, had been to the theatre, were stopped and treated very unpleasantly. Breathalyser and interrogated.

What the hell he thought he was doing with two septegenarian Welsh ladies god knows.

The Met are institutionally racist and misogynist. Anyone who would be at risk from racism or misogyny may well be concerned when they are at the mercy of a person in authority who is from a known racist misogynist organisation. Not everyone is able to assume that a police stop is no big deal and nothing to make a fuss about. It might be, but not everyone can assume it will be.

Far too many young people die on our roads like this, rather than argue about who's to blame we need to look at prevention. Huge sympathies to Marcus's family, and to the family of the teen boys killed near me recently, and all the families of all the teens before them killed in car accidents. I cannot imagine anything worse than losing your child like this.

We need to talk to our teens about this stuff. I'm not lying when I say I always bring these tragedies to my teen's attention. He's just started lessons and we've spoken about the stats, the reason for the astronomical insurance, why it's a bad idea to get in car full of teens and how just a moments distraction when you're a new driver can end your life. I take this stuff seriously and I hope the end result is he will make sensible choices.

Education and a change in the law is what we need. My son's school recently took all the 17 year olds on a young driver awareness course. This sort of thing could be rolled out across schools for starters.
I'm also a huge advocate of the Australian system whereby new drivers are not allowed teen passengers.
Too many young people die this way and so many deaths could be prevented.