Poor teen jailed in Dubai has died

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I’ve just seen this. How utterly heartbreaking for his parents.
it makes me even more angry about the vindictive mother that reported him.
Just so so sad.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/met-police-car-chase-crash-teenager-dead-tottenham-london-b1251170.html

Or they suspect someone of committing the heinous crime of “driving while Black”.

Actions have consequences.
His actions (which I don’t consider to be unpleasant) resulted in him being imprisoned when he was reported for them.
Hers (which I consider to be vindictive and unnecessary) result in me judging her.
I think you would have to be very un empathetic to think being imprisoned 8n a Dubai jail for such a minor ‘offence’ would change a person.

So, OK. I’ll rephrase it as in my opinion she bears some responsibility for how his life ultimately turned out.

“…a very innocent life” or is just being wilfully ignorant. Show me a young black man with a car in London and I’ll show you someone who has been stopped by the police for some spurious reason or another. You don’t even need to be driving. My mum went to the shops with my brother, he left her in the store and went back to the car. By the time my mum got back to the car, he was surrounded by police. They were just checking that he hadn’t nicked the car… and the keys to the car (which they saw him use to get in to the car). I suppose there are people on here who are gonna tell me it’s usual to get stopped by police when you’re young, male and casually using a key to get into a nice car. He’s been stopped so many times by the police, he’s long since lost count.

Another time, he was going out with his mates and he went on ahead. By the time his mates caught up to him, he was… surrounded by police. Sad thing is, the most shocking thing about that incident wasn’t that he was stopped (he was used to it), it was the way his friends got away with being so mouthy to the police. He couldn’t believe it. There’s no way black men could talk to cops like that and expect to walk away uncuffed. The friends he was with were all white and they aggressively demanded to know “WHY THE FUCK” the police had stopped him. As soon as the police saw his mates were all white, their attitude changed and they tried to downplay the whole situation and act all chummy… but my brother’s mates weren’t having it. They wanted an answer. So the police said that someone in the area reported that a [insert large, random item] had been stolen, to which his friends asked if the police thought my brother had shoved it up his arse as he clearly wasn’t in possession of it. The difference between how white and black people are approached by police, and how they interact with each other, is night and day. Black people with sense know that they need to try to stay calm and de-escalate the situation; white people, not so much.

What has all that info about the driver to do with whether Marcus is a victim?

Have you actually read what the ‘multiples offences’ the DRIVER of the vehicle has been charged with? They are to do with the fact he was the DRIVER of a vehicle including, no insurance, no driving , licence, failing to stop and causing death by dangerous driving. Therefore it appears there are no ‘multiple offences’ Marcus could have been charged with.

https://news.met.police.uk/news/victim-of-fatal-collision-in-tottenham-named-501769

As hard as you seen to find it to believe, I was doing absolutely nothing wrong. Just driving a friend home in my taxed insured car within the speed limit driving safety with no alcohol in my system. The officer who stopped me said 'just a routine stop'. How many of the white middle class women on this thread have had the police stop them for a 'routine stop'? Some people don't realise what life can be like for people who aren't them.

Agreeing to a post that doesn't make sense since it's claiming I said what I didn't, just as you are. I'd give the same suggestion to you too in that case.

Again to make bizarre conclusions like you and the poster have done from my posts, perhaps other people's lives are not as important to you as chasing criminals via dangerous driving when there are other ways like I've already posted. It's not as if the police don't already engage in what I suggested anyway.

No, let's just encourage criminals and police cars to hit every one on the road including children and those in their homes too because the police can't be arsed to covertly chase/follow criminals to ensure innocent people's lives are not at risk. How nice.

I was more referring to the lack of virginity. Something that was discussed with friends from the same ethnic group at the time.

Marwaan Mohamed Huseen, of Argyle Road, Tottenham, has been charged over the fatal car crash.

The 19-year-old is charged with causing death by dangerous driving, driving without insurance, driving without a licence and failing to stop.

So it seems that the only "culpability" Marcus has was to be foolish enough to get in a car with his uninsured, unlicensed friend.

I don’t know about you, but I have no idea of the insurance status of my friends. I just assume they are insured. How could he know the friend would refuse to stop?
I’m glad you are able to be so sure where your son is and with whom at all times, and that none of his friends are ever going to break a law.

Wow. So naive. I’m 60. I’ve never been stopped by the police either walking or in a car, but I knew when I was a teenager, and I’ve seen since (teacher, so know loads of teens) that very often they are stopped for nothing. How do you not know this?

So it seems that the only "culpability" Marcus has was to be foolish enough to get in a car with his uninsured, unlicensed friend.

This looks like you jumping to fill in gaps with your own preferred version. Neither of us know. What else happened, or didn't happen, that night? What was his role? Would have been charged if he had lived? We don't know, so I reserve judgment. That's the sensible thing to do.

I cannot even believe how unlucky his life seems. Really shocked. Poor family. First the whole thing about Dubai and now just when they probably had hope about him rebuilding his life, he dies. It’s really sad. Poor guy.

And I suppose no license or insurance was worth someone's death too due to dangerous driving by both parties. Great! I'd rather be 'naive' than heartless though.

You cannot say with 100% certainty what your son would or would not do in any given situation. Until the situation arises, neither can your son.

He wasn’t the driver.

What was his role in what?
As a passenger, he couldn’t be charged with driving offences. That’s all that happened.

Except that the driver had no licence and no insurance, was driving dangerously and failed to stop, so the police were absolutely right to try and stop them. Regardless of race, creed, colour etc.

If they'd had the sense to stop, that poor family wouldn't be grieving a son.

Put responsibility where it belongs.

I think it is you that is filling gaps. But carry on. I will remain sad for this boy and his family.

They? Are you using a gender neutral pronoun to blame the driver? Or suggesting they were both culpable? Because the passenger really wasn’t.

I drove a golf GTI convertible when I was 19 proper boy race the car that I absolutely couldn’t afford in the eyes of most police officers or anybody else for that matter.
Never stopped once, And you’ve got no idea what colour I am.

Did they ever say why they’d stopped you? As a new driver I once freaked out when stopped by the police. They merely wanted to tell me that the bonnet of my old Mini wasn’t properly closed - and they shut it for me.

What facts do you think I've stated without evidence?

You of course can be sad for this man and his family. This is absolutely horrible for them. That's a separate issue to whether this man was very culpable, somewhat culpable, or not culpable at all for what happened. Which neither of us know. You've worked backwards from your sympathy for the family, which I recognise is a very human thing to do. To me, I see them as separate. This is a horrible time for his family whatever their son did or didn't do. We don't need to jump to fact claims to feel sympathy.

Do you know what happened that evening? I assume neither of us know more than what has been reported. The question is whether we recognise that we don't know, or insist that we do know. I think the former is better.

What a waste and terrible outcome. My thoughts are with the family and all they have been through. Unimaginable. RIP Marcus