Poor teen jailed in Dubai has died

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I’ve just seen this. How utterly heartbreaking for his parents.
it makes me even more angry about the vindictive mother that reported him.
Just so so sad.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/met-police-car-chase-crash-teenager-dead-tottenham-london-b1251170.html

Might, might, might, might. Suggested links, suggestions, perhaps, could have, maybe.

So all completely surmised from the exact same info that everyone else has.

The mother bears no responsibility for his death, it emotive fiction to suggest that were it not for her Marcus wouldn’t have been in that car doing what he was doing. We’ve all overreacted, we’ve all done things we regret. Is it sensible to suggest that even a year or two later we should be blamed and hated for them because of a potential negative outcome for another person involved that had absolutely nothing to do with the original issue. Pure emotive foolishness - reacting to romanticised, preferred versions of events, but this is what seems to be preferred now. Facts and grubby reality is just so dreary isn’t it?

Well exactly. Was it two kids being chased for 60 seconds by police? That's the gloss you put on it, becuase you recognise that circumstances matter.

The poster I replied to had jumped on an earlier one for saying she reserved judgment. Reserving judgment when we don't know the facts is the sensible thing to do. I'm not going to drop my belief that culpability matters to how tragic someone's death is, so I'd better not rush to judgment about what happened here. You think that's wrong?

But as you well know, this country is NOT Dubai. Which is a country I would never voluntarily step foot in because of their many other draconian laws. But that’s not the point. They broke the law of the land. Sadly, he found out that Dubai isn’t quite the utopia many visitors would believe.
i think the law there is wrong, I don’t believe he should have been jailed. I also don’t believe for one second that the mother of the girl involved should be castigated and seemingly held responsible for his death!

Don't know why so many here are painting him as an innocent victim. He broke the law in Dubai, for which he claimed ignorance of but that's not likely, the strict laws about sex and alcohol are well publicised, and he was accompanying a friend who has broken the law here too. He had no driving licence, no insurance, was driving dangerously and failed to stop for the police. It's not likely he was just an innocent passenger and not privy to his friend's illegal driving. He sounds reckless at best.

He didn't deserve to die and it's sad for his family. It is however very lucky that no innocent members of the public were killed in the smash because we'd be looking at a whole different ball game then.

The driver deserves no sympathy whatsoever!

They quite rightly wouldnt

But Ive lost count of the number of posters on this site over many many years who are obsessive about a girl of 15 (because its always that way round here) NOT being able to consent, its ILLEGAL, its NOT CONSENSUAL.

Over and over again, citing red flags, grooming, exploitation, the list is endless about how a boy is nearly always some perpetrator, because the girl is 15 and therefore technically underage.

Perhaps the mum is one of those posters.

Your faux rage is pretty pathetic. What “guilt” should she be expected to live with? Nothing she did caused the man to die.

I posted up thread that I was stopped by the police 7 times in 18 months as a teenager, while doing nothing wrong. One of those times I didn't initially stop as I assumed the police car behind me with blue lights on just wanted to get past me. What with me just pootling along taking a friend home and not speeding or drink driving or doing anything illegal at all.

It was only when the police officer flashed me and gestured at me that I realised he was pulling me over and I stopped. So technically I was in a police pursuit for a short amount of time, as these boys were. I had nothing to hide, and I'd done nothing wrong. Anyone who thinks the police actually police neutrally lives a very innocent life. Plenty of people have been stopped by police who had nothing to hide - and how many of them had something about them they couldn't hide, i.e. their skin colour? More than a few.

And mothers who wants boys away from their daughter is no justification for what that mother did to this boy's life, whether he'd have ended up a rocket scientist or a bin man.

This. So sad for his family.

Yes teenagers, and adults alike, are renowned for making sure they have brought themselves up to speed with the laws of whatever land they are off to for a quick holiday.

Agree with this.

The driver has been arrested for no insurance, no license etc. shame on them.

Clearly the police cannot let them get away. If they ran over your relative would the PP be so keen for the police not to chase. Let’s just let them do what they like?

My DS was working in retail this summer. The shop lifting is rife. He saw some some scrout stealing wine. He reported it to his manager. The man just walked out and gave my son a little wave once he was out of the store and then the usual two finger gesture.

You believe that?

People of colour have to actively teach their children the police can't always be trusted. You've only got to watch that MET documentary to see that.

Nice to be able to live in a little white safety bubble enclave and not worry that your children might be not just at risk on the streets but also from the law enforcement.

Were you driving without no insurance which would’ve flagged up on the MIB ?
Were you driving like a lunatic?
If not, there’s no comparison here.
If you were, I hope they’ve threw the book at you.
From the day I started driving lessons I was reminded by family that the car is as dangerous as a loaded gun in the wrong hands
As we saw earlier in the week

He wasn’t driving, so no, he bears no responsibility.

I don't think this is sufficient.

If my friend pulls out a gun and shoots me, totally out of character and without warning, I clearly bear no responsibilty at all for my own death.

If I've been playing drunken russian roulette with him for months in the local pub, mucking around and risking my, his and others' lives, and he pulls the trigger one day and it kills me, I clearly have a lot of responsibility for my own death.

I don't claim any knowledge about which of these two cases this death is closest to, but the idea that it couldn't have been either one is untenable.

So true. This is a really good point

)disgraceful and shameful to read the racist posts on here)

On what factual basis do you conclude that ‘no doubt’ he would have been similarly charged?

Those darned biases, they find their way into soooo many of the posts on here. Shameful yes shameless.

The problem is we don’t know the full facts of why the girl’s mum reported him.

It’s possible it was an over-protective helicopter parent unable to deal with her child having sex, and even perhaps a race element to it people here say she was Sikh, but I can’t see a news report which says the girl’s race / religion).

It’s possible that the mother was aware of other behaviour that made her take the drastic step of reporting him to the police.

The problem is we only had Marcus’s side of the story, not the girl’s or the girl’s mum.

So from the mum’s perspective, she might be thinking if she hadn’t taken that drastic step, her daughter could have also been a passenger in that car and so she saved her daughter.

It's called driving while black.

Oh, I see so It’s nothing to do with that computer that the police keep on their dashboard. That’s able to tell them whether or not a car is insured or not 🙄
Which it wasn’t 🙄🙄

I was a teenager in the days before ANPR! I owned the car, had insurance, tax, MOT, wasn't speeding, had my lights on, was driving safely. Wonder what it was about me that made the officer decide to stop me?

My post was in answer to PP saying that anyone involved on a police pursuit has something to hide. Which is not true. Those who think the police only go after wrong 'uns is naive.

"He wasn't driving so bears no responsibility"

Really!! I have a ds the same age. He has more sense than to be racing around the streets in an uninsured BMW in the early hours, or spending time with the sort of lad who doesn't stop when requested to by the police.

Choice of friends......!

At the time it was in the media the girl and her mum where named and there were photographs floating around online.

Her name will be known. So much for her mum protecting her for marriage. Everyone who knows the daughter/the family will know now. In her community, she'll be unmarriageable.

Would he? For being in the same car? There’s no reason to think he was committing any offences.

Has your son just done a stint in a middle eastern jail?

But actually, in the olden days, they had to have more cause to stop you so you must’ve been doing something.
Faulty brake light ? Speeding ? Driving without due course and attention ?
It’s far easier for them to stop you in 2025

This in itself is racist.

Do you even know any Sikh people in real life? Intermarriage is common. You’re dismissing an entire group of people as having backwards views.