Poor teen jailed in Dubai has died

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I’ve just seen this. How utterly heartbreaking for his parents.
it makes me even more angry about the vindictive mother that reported him.
Just so so sad.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/met-police-car-chase-crash-teenager-dead-tottenham-london-b1251170.html

Check you bright spark. Front of the class for you - being the only one who knows being in a vehicle is breaking the law 🌟🌟!

Genuine question: Why are people talking about White people if the girl's family is Sikh? Aren't they supposed to be a South Asian family then? I don't know much about this case besides hearing he's died.

I responded to another post when I had intended to respond to yours. It is incredible you are taking this position.

The mother was absolutely in the wrong, of course, but I don’t think it had much to do with Marcus’ death—that will be on his friend. Just all around sad for his family though.

Should we all not be responsible for our own actions?

The callousness of this takes my breath away. Two kids being chased by police for 60 seconds is not on a par with the Manchester terrorists' crimes.

MN has been an absolute seething cauldron of hate this week.

I honestly don't know but it almost never ends well. This should get them to rethink this strategy. Perhaps air monitoring or cctv monitoring of the car's movement or even covert chase with an unmarked car without them knowing they're being followed.

There are solutions but maybe it will take more manpower or money so this the "easiest" one. However lives are always at stake here. Someone usually gets hurt or dies and unfortunately it isn't always the actual perpertrator.

It's not like they can say 'Well the criminals should stop and not keep speeding then' because they can't expect criminals to care about lives or doing the right thing, but the police should.

No it isn't.

I wasn't referring to the boy who died. I was replying to the poster who made a casual link between police pursuits and keeping children safe.

I disagree but I am open to discussion. Can you please explain exactly what links the actions she took, to him being in a car with a dangerous driver who decided to behave in a criminal manner, over a year after she reported him for an entirely separate situation. The mother being vindictive/racist, if those were her motives, is entirely separate to the choices he as a full grown adult made yesterday evening surely? Does he bear any responsibility at all for his situation?

It's quite likely actually.

Oh you know the family in question?

You vilify a mother because you read something somewhere once and an 18 year old didn’t know the law when engaging in sexual activity with a younger woman in a foreign country?

hopefully you have never served on a jury

Lots of people have already suggested links.
He might have been at university in a different town if he hadn’t gone t9 jail in Dubai
He might have mental health issues as a result of his experiences which lead him to make worse decisions than he other wise would have
His life was derailed and he might be angry which might have led him down a wrong path
Thats just with a couple of minutes of thought and a reading of the thread.

He wasn’t driving, so no, he bears no responsibility.

When we live in a place when the hard of thinking post shit like this so boldly, it’s time to self-reflect on one’s own biases and how we respond/challenge it.

I remember when back in the day October was considered Black History Month. How ironic that reading too many of the posts on this thread alone just shows that we’ve so much to learn, yet not enough people - even/especially in people professions - show open to learning about racial differences and impacts across all areas of life. So sad that seemingly, after many many years, some of our learning and too many posts is way too close to nothing at all.

A young man has died and you are basically jeering his parents for not keeping him safe.

This.
I hope the mother lives with the guilt for the rest of her life.
What about her poor daughter too? Not only will she feel guilt for feeling she was partly responsible for him going to prison, likely her relationship with her mum wit is have been damaged beyond repair, and now Marcus has been killed.
So many lives changed forever.

Yes… the Met police, on the other hand, are all saintly paragons of virtue who can do no wrong and are not, in fact racist, misogynistic, homophobic bullies/ thugs/ murderers/ in uniform.

Yes. I agree. And I really believe though, that this wouldn't have happened, (the young man - Marcus - dying in this car crash,) had he not spent time in the Dubai prison. It shouldn't have happened, he should not have been put away, and it caused a butterfly effect, because he (and his mates) had an enhanced fear of the police... Poor lad. 😢 I feel so much for his family... ❤

Yeah, that's a very naive attitude.

The reason the police have to get involved in pursuits is that we/you would blame them if the people in the car went on to commit serious offences and the police didn't stop them.

Not stopping for police means only one thing. That you have something to hide.

Your last sentence is just astonishing. So criminals are not to be held accountable because they are criminals, we should lay the blame at the police instead?

The "easiest" one as you put it, would be to do nothing, it would be very easy for the police to just let them drive off. If they went on to break into your parents home, attack them, perhaps even murder them to steal their car, would you accept the police saying "well, someone might have got hurt if we tried to stop them?"

@Chiseltip
I take issue with this to some degree Not stopping for police means only one thing. That you have something to hide
After the Sarah Everard murder the advice to women was not to stop for the police but to drive on to either a police station or a well populated area. I think it’s possible for someone to have good reason not to want to stop which isn’t that they are engaged in criminal activity.
Not saying this is the case for this incident, but in general.

You do know that a person who is a Sikh can also be black, and vice versa?

How did reporting him protect her daughter? The daughter was in a different country to him at the time. And the sex the mother objected to had already happened. What protection did it give?

The mother was trying to make sure the holiday fling couldn't continue once both young people were back in London and legally allowed to have sex if they chose. She did that by throwing him under the bus instead of dealing with her own child.

She spitefully ruined his life, whether because she's a racist or because she's against sex before marriage or whatever her reason, it doesn't justify reporting a teenager for consensual sex with a peer, in a medieval state where he'd be severely punished for consensual sex.

I feel for his parents! However, this was totally unrelated to his sentence. If you read the driver was charged with multiple offences so no doubt if he hadn’t died he’d be being charged with offences too!

Weird that this is what you got from my posts. I suggest you read the rest of my posts here again to understand that I never said the criminals shouldn't be stopped or caught neither did I say they shouldn't take accountability (infact I outrightly said the opposite). Bizarre post.

Naive to think that the strategy of driving on full speed to catch criminals who drive on full speed should be re-evaluated to minimise casualties while finding other ways to catch/stop them? Righto.

Guess I'm naive but I care about other peoples' lives more than criminals being chased right in the moment by police literally equally engaging in dangerous driving when they can still be caught any other way. Perhaps the latter is more important to you than other people's lives (See I can make odd and wild conclusions from posts too).