Thread 34 Starmer - Conference Swanwiches and a Deputy Leader contest

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It seems like that America was a million years ago! At 15 he went to New York and was homeless for a bit, slept on a park bench.

Basquiat is one of those iconic bright and brilliant young people who died at 27.

For the purposes of the mini survey
Me - degrees in Economics and Computer Science - Labour member.
DC1 History - Plaid or Labour.
DC2 Film, Green.

Family are mostly humanities with a sprinkle of STEM. All Labour or Green.

Philosophy. Fine Art, Biology, History, Law, History, Law, and Anthropology

My children are computer science obsessives, and like cryptography.

So election now started for deputy leadership within the Labour Party. It's all done via email.

She is not just wanting to scrap university courses, she will also give a tax cut for private school fees and take away all the new workers rights brought in by Labour.

Well she’s never going to be elected. John Curtice told them yesterday that they would be overtaken by the Lib Dems in terms of seats because the Conservative vote had been taken over by Reform in so many areas of the country. The Lib Dem vote is much more evenly spread. They are in huge trouble. Maybe 50 seats unless something changes.

Plus a loss to the Treasury of approximately £11 billion a year in the scrapping stamp duty - which will benefit only developers - more houses being built in green fields.

Servers them fucking right.

Hows that "Brexit" thing you thought you could control now, eh ? Headbanger tories.

It's a tale as old as time, the killing of the golden egg laying goose. They had a nice little political party - the oldest in modern history (quite happy to debate the classicists on the Roman classes). It had survived the fracture in the monarchy, the succession crises of the 17th and 18th century, seen off changes that ended in revolution all over Europe, infiltrated every corner of the globe by the British Empire. And yet it folded quicker than a cheap tent the second the avarice and greed of the monied classes got their sticky fingers on the levers of power.

No one forced them to pick up the poisoned chalice - many warned against (and Google remembers the MNetters who did, most under other names 😀). But no, they thought that rather than slay the dragon, they could use it's supernatural power to destroy their perceived enemies.

The metaphor of sawing a branch while sitting on the wrong side is so apt it hurts.

Even an army of Clav clones is never going to revive this ex-party.

No one who matters wants more houses. There are too many people who are invested in house prices and rents remaining high. If you build more houses then the only way to ensure prices and rents remain high is to proportionally increase the demand (i.e. more immigration).

Yes, like Amy Winehouse and others. ...

Mary Beard winner of the debate with Boris Johnson regarding democracy within Rome and Greece. ETA And Rome was a more inclusive democracy, no doubt about that. Both regimes were cruel but ultimately Rome paved the way.

The clones are still trying with Brexit, they are now at a stage where they say they don't need to disprove its success.

Badenoch was lamenting Poland's growth over the UK during the last 15 years.

Odd that growth occurred when 90% of Polish young men were all living in one street in the Midlands ?

Badenoch is irrelevant. But I'm quite pleased she's hung on despite Honest Bob's obvious manoeuvres.

Anyone watch Storyville The Librarians on BBC 4 last night? It's about the book bans in US schools, the threats made to school librarians, and who is funding it. I'm only half way through but my God it is deeply disturbing.

As we were talking about intellectuals 😳

Maybe Basquiat's early 80s America is not so different to 25 after all- the powerful v the marginalised, the wealth divide..

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My English and Social Policy degree was accessed by way of Chemistry and Biology A Levels (and English, obvs). Science is fascinating.

😅Indeed.

Holder of an English degree and a Postgrad qualification in a related field. I live in a house surrounded by Science grads (and postgrads). We rub along just fine, shame KB can’t see the beauty and worth of all study.
We do have some humdinger arguments about religion though

Oh and to add - science A levels, (broadly) Arts degree (it has some economics) and my hobbies are singing and flute playing and reading. And walking dogs, I guess. I’m embarrassingly shit at any craft based activity.

Mixed bag of A levels (also because you take a lot more in the Netherlands). Prehistoric Archaeology degree (which is half science and half humanities). DC one has a degree in Ancient History and a Masters in Library science, the other is about to graduate in Marine Bio, so very STEM.

Foster DS not a graduate but arty and creative.

Is Kemi also banning hobbies if they involve being creative or reading?.