Chance of a general election next year and Reform winning?

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They are winning in the polls it seems. I've been watching Nigel Farage's Instagram, he really just talks common sense. I find myself agreeing with a lot of what he says.
I'm definitely not far right and I'm not a leftie,
I think I'm somewhere in the middle.
But I am sick of Conservative and Labour and think it's time to give a new party a chance, especially if they are going to properly tackle illegal immigrants coming over and the ones that are already here.
I don't necessarily agree with his call to deport those with Indefinite leave to remain however.

Happily.

I see Reform as the cure to this wretched government. Do I believe they are a long term solution? No. They are clearly a party in development and I hope that the worse elements disappear. Perhaps Farage will hand over the baton.

They are not unique in having some distasteful elements. Labour had their anti semitic crisis of course.

The Tories are hopeless for the moment.

You’ll note I was replying to @GabrielsOboe (beautiful piece of music, by the way) who actually did say exactly that. Just look back in the quote history to the post you have quoted.

Yes it says I want Labour out. Shocking!

Where does it say i want to vote for them because they provide the "cure"? Where do I ever say that I think they got the answers? Seeing as you are now scrolling through all my previous posts....

Sounds a bit like Starmer during campaigning…

Sunak had him sussed.

Sunak was bang on the money with everything

You joined in a quote train which began with @GabrielsOboe saying exactly that. I could only assume you agreed when you defended that position.

Sounds like Starmer / Labour pre GE. Actually it was just ‘change’

Well, so far (14 months in) they absolutely have been less sleazy than the last log, and a lot less sleazy than Reform. (This is a low bar). The numbers are as they are.

I have never claimed they are perfect - that's your strawman take on it.

You assumed yes of course you did

Maybe I was responding to 1 aspect of that PP?

Find me any of my posts which show I think Reform have the cure/answer.

So it's fine to use strawman arguments on me amd accuse me of saying things I didn't 🤣🤣🤣

That's about right

People like yourself - people defending Reform and insisting they are no worse than anyone else. People refusing to accept issues surrounding Reform MPs/councillors. People (including reporters) not challenging them when they lie or present in impractical policy.

Re Labour and moral superiority - nobody has claimed Labour is morally perfect. They do appear, according to data, to be morally superior to Reform.

No, your stated point is

I am only bringing it up because PPs portray Reform as being more morally corrupt and ignore the moral corruption within Labour. Holding 1 party up as being morally superior when it demonstrably isn't is being completely disingenuous.

And the data does not support your comment that Labour is demonstrably more corrupt than Reform. We get that you despise the Labour party but you can't build a point on a random list of names and citing a single incident that they are more morally bankrupt than Reform.

And yet Streeting wants Rayner back?

Thats moral superiority?

Come on. First you didn’t read the quote history, now you aren’t reading the post.
My post you quoted clearly says that it another poster who said it. You defended their point of view repeatedly though, so I think it’s a fair question still.

Zero chance of an early election I’d say. Reform has to keep their honeymoon going for some time yet - better hope they work out how to actually govern the councils they’ve won!

Yabu there won't be an election this year. Kier will be got rid of soon, he's so unpopular. Labour will be out when the election is called but certainly not next year. Reform will have a coalition with Conservatives I think. The polls are never right and it's years yet.

But how are they a cure for vindictiveness, deceitful ness and whatever else it was you said when they are demonstrably worse at those things?

Ah so flip that to Labour supporters and you have the same thing. You don't see the irony?

"Labour and moral superiority - nobody has claimed Labour is morally perfect". Er yes they and you did and still do ie "grown ups back in charge" "end chaos of the Tories" etc etc.

So do I understand you are going to vote for them because they aren't the answer???
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣.

And I looked through your previous posts because you asked me to*

Did I misunderstand your meaning?
I quote your words to me above...
Where have I stated that Reform are the answer? My exact words where I stated that

Well, first of all that’s his opinion.
But, yes, still morally superior to either Tories or Reform on the basis of data. Not morally perfect. Morally superior to the two main right wing parties.

What I actually find scariest about the prospect of a Reform government is that it will fail miserably to deliver its promises, because even a cursory look at what it proposes to do through an analytical lens shows that they won't work. So where does the anger go then?

If Farage goes, so will Reform. All his parties are based on him, they all fall to pieces once he does, and on he marches to find a new set of people who want some magic beans. And what happens if Labour, by 2029, have actually defused some of the anger on immigration? Like Brexit before it, a single issue politician has to find a new one once it disappears.

Farage's undoubted political success over the past decade and more has been to pressure other political parties to do what he wants to see happen. That's how we're in the current mess. And his hands are never on that mess ('they didn't do Brexit properly' etc.) so he's then at hand to offer his new solution. We have been marched steadily to the right to I'm sure his great pleasure, but what he simply cannot do is run his own political party with any success. He's very rich so I suspect he doesn't give a toss and is just having a lot of fun.

I am voting for them because they are the only way of defeating Labour where i live. I'm not voting for them because they offer any answers. I just want Labour out.

Here are some passive agressive emojis to match yours 🤣🤣🤣🤣

I dont straw man you. You defended a point of view, so I assumed you agreed with it. I asked you the same question I’d asked the poster who originally expressed the opinion. I have not, at any point, attributed the word ‘cure’ to you.

Here are some passive agressive emojis to match yours 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Thank you. I do like a laughing face 😆.

No, they don’t. That’s just your interpretation. Most Labour supporters and voters - and even MPs - are more than happy to acknowledge errors made by Labour.
What am I flipping to Labour supporters?