What do you think about proposed ID cards?

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I am not sure what I think about proposed ID cards?
does the UK public want it?
how much it is going to cost to bring them in?
what are the positives and negatives?

This.

Completely agree

Well my post was about Nazis hence the fascist comment, however I am worried about any extreme governments whatever political leaning.

So much eagerness to give control to the gov, why?

It would be a very useful database if an extreme government got in, who say hated people of a certain origin and wanted to exterminate them.

Clearly people can’t see it yet but I believe we have one of those right now. I wouldn’t be that shocked if we don’t even see another election. A forever government may be coming our way.

I have no issues with digital IDs. Passports and driving licences are de facto photo IDs in very many situations anyway.

Whyyyyyyy don’t you have any instinct for self preservation?!

Nanny Ogg has form historically. Just scroll on by. ☺️

Yeah clarity of procurement and making sure it is genuinely done well is more of an issue for me.
Big Data has been here for years and is here to stay. I just went to boots this morning and let them track what vitamins I was using, which if they can be bothered will let them link it up to my contact lenses, my face cream, my shampoo, when my kids were born (when I was buying pregnancy products and nappies) and what my preferred snacks are, all to get a cheaper price.
I let Sainsbury’s track my groceries each week so I can have the convenience of deliveries.
When cctv came out there were a lot of privacy concerns intially, but it was instrumental in solving the case when my relative was murdered and getting the murderer put in prison for life. I have personally supported cctv ever since as we had reason to believe that person killed someone else and it remains unsolved, and he never showed remorse. He needs to be in prison for the benefit of society.
I am guardedly in favour of digital id if done well, as it could potentially reduce crime in particular modern slavery.

And then one day the government decides it’s not ok that you bought vitamins and decides to block your digital ID and bar you from society…

Do you equate Boots knowing which vitamins you buy so they can advertise what you like with a gov stopping your bank account?

Public sector IT projects never go wrong, do they?
Post Office scandal.
MPs leaving memory sticks containing an entire public database on a train.
Billions spent on "test and trace" to make ONE person rich, and the resulting Pingdemic.

And, as @justasking111 said:
Blocked Bank accounts of citizens who wouldn't have the COVID jabs
Blocked Bank accounts of farmers who protested against the government
Blocked people from going into their own forests this summer threatening huge fines.
And many, many more ideas are possible. While he might be speaking against ID cards now, two-faced Farage is already rubbing his hands in glee thinking about how they would be extremely useful to him, if he got into power.

ID cards? Nope. Nope. Nope. The year 2020 should have been ringing VERY LOUD ALARM BELLS INDEED, even louder than those "emergency alerts", which again, many people are holding up as a beacon of "but the rest of the world does it, why shouldn't we?" I don't want the government having a button of "instantly frighten the pants off the public"; their fingers would slip on it.

I am hanging on to cash, petrol, dumb electricity meter, gas central heating, and Alexa-free household for as long as I possibly can. Why don't I like Alexa, I hear you ask? Far too similar to Orwellian telescreens. I foresee Alexa-like devices being repurposed as a means to broadcast government propaganda into your home whether you want it or not; being the only way to access the internet, which by then will be essential for everything, including buying food. Call me a conspiracy theorist if you will, but in 2020, we "conspiracy theorists" were proved right about many things.

👍 ID cards being one of those things dismissed as a conspiracy theory too.

I banned Alexa years ago. Just look at how our esteemed government have been trying to prise open a back door to apple encrypted data and tell me they can be trusted…

I’m as careful as I can be. I use a vpn I don’t have social media that uses a real name - no Facebook, no insta no snapchat no TikTok. I don’t use WhatsApp I use signal.

I Accept a certain level of risk but this is too far for me.

I will peacefully object to this.

This happened in places like Romania where "Russian interference" (which amounted to 600 TikTok accounts with videos with Russian propaganda) being enough for them to claim the election was rigged and had to be re-run with the winner banned.

Digital ID is not just a photo ID stored on your phone. It is a unique ID that links all government services together, it is also an ID that can be used by private companies (like banks to verify your identity).

Therefore when applying for medical insurance your digital ID which is tied to your NHS records could be used.

Something you post on social media could be record as a non crime hate incident by the police, a bank will then refuse your custom on this basis.

All done by a liberal government and liberal Justin Trudeau.

Yep @TheCatsTongue

I hope so. Trying to get a citizenship card for my kid makes the temple vein. It shouldn't be that hard.

‘Liberal’ parties to the left mean something else these days, authoritarianism.

Could your medical records eventually be tied to your finances. So if you have a medical condition that may impact your ability to work in 5 years will that affect the remortgage interest rate you can access? At present there is no link. If you get carers allowance for your mum - maybe you are a higher risk as you could be leaving the house in the night? Putting yourself at risk of a car crash or burglary? A bit like a black box on a teens car affects their premium. Where you cannot drive at night with some insurers.

Insurers will love it if they can access it. So many predictions they can make to increase your premium.

Three holidays a year - high risk of burglary etc.

And people are naive if they don’t think access to data will grow over time. Companies will want to pay to access your data.

I'm largely in favour of ID cards - they should streamline a lot of government services, banking and anything to do with proving identity. (I have struggled with the latter frequently in the past due to not having a driving license and at the time having no utility bills, council tax, mortgage or rent I my name).

I do think you have some valid concerns, especially in regards to data leaks.

I think your point about the potential for misuse by a more authoritarian government is Not too far-fetched.

However, I do think your comparison to Chinese surveillance and your sleepwalking into dystopia framing is hyperbolic. I highly doubt there is any realistic chance of the UK moving towards Chinese style surveillance. Similarly your point about tracking our every move. I'm sure it is technically possible but it would require a lot of legal, infrastructure changes and money, so I also believe that is highly unlikely.

When COVID lockdowns hit there was so much disag between England, Scotland, Wales, Ireland. I was in Wales where it was particularly batshit. We opened up three weeks after England between lockdowns, trains were searched, passengers interrogation reasons for travel. They stopped cars.

I was very down not seeing family who lived in the same road, my grandchildren distressed.

Then on Mumsnet I found a group who called themselves anti dementors. We discussed daft roolz, bats hit diktats by government, police, council. We were reported by dementors many times. We were spammed, attacked

Fair dos to Mumsnet they let us have our little corner of the forum, we held each other up at times. There were many areas of the forum we couldn't venture into during the lockdowns.

I thank god these mums kept me sane.

Digital is much less risky when it comes to fraud. A physical card is something you just have and a digital card can have multifacetor authentication built in and also can easily be checked against a central database. Also, if I show my passport (say) just to proove that my name is Dizzy, you may also see my date of birth, whereas on a digital ID it might be possible just to share the info that I need to share with you.

Also physical cards and passports can be lost. A digital ID card will always be retrievable, even if you lose your phone.