What do you think about proposed ID cards?

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I am not sure what I think about proposed ID cards?
does the UK public want it?
how much it is going to cost to bring them in?
what are the positives and negatives?

So much hysterical nonsense on show.
ID cards are not new in this country. Thanks to the National Registration Act, 1939, everyone including children had to carry their ID card at all time. The act was only repealed in 1952.
Very few prosecutions for non-compliance, people saw the sense of them.
They were helpful at a time when bombings meant people could be scattered and children lost. Not a consideration today, but they would be useful for statistical purposes when planning welfare and similar policies.

I’ve never known a government website to be hacked and I use a lot of them for work.
This anti stuff is being driven by the usual right wing conspiracy theorists (and right wing propaganda think tanks).

Ask yourself, who gains from more immigration? Yes, the billionaires who definitely do not want ID!

@BurntBroccoli In the past the HMRC, The Legal Aid Agency and the ICO have all been hacked. ln addition the NHS Wannacry attack may not have been central government per se, but it was government related. In the States the FBI and their Court Service were hacked. The UK does not operate in isolation.

Remember the proposed NHS database that didn’t work because we were told it was too big?

It’s not a left or right issue. It’s a cyber security issue. The first generation of smart meters were hacked. Hackers are always going to be just one small step behind.

It is likely that some of the the same developers who worked with BA, M&S etc would be used; it’s their profession

Why don’t billionaires want ID?
And hacking is becoming a real issue. Horrified to learn yesterday that the Kido nursery chain has been hacked and they’ve released pictures of children onto the dark web. They are threatening to release more if they aren’t paid the ransom. These people are vile.
And the cost is still a real issue. That’s not a “conspiracy theory” that is a fact.

Has all of this worry about hacks stopped you from doing anything online on the gov website? You've never submitted any information online to hmrc, dvla, childcare account, etc?

Right wing such as Corbyn and Lib Dems? The pro stuff is being driven by Starmerites.

Of course l’ve used them. But that doesn’t mean that the risk is not increased by something considerably larger than anything used before. A system is only as good as those working on it.

Developers could not get the NHS database to work after significant expenditure, saying the project was too big.

Plus it is not unknown for new things to go wrong, so it goes beyond hacking; Horizon was government backed. We were once told that the people working on it were the best in their field. A field of sheep?

I very much support the implementation of this system. Even developing nations like India and the Philippines have adopted similar measures to prevent resource draining. As a developed country, the UK should certainly have these systems in place. It is regrettable that we have not established them until now.😓

Whiners will whine.

Yet the United States has chosen not to go in this direction. So, before you can say Horizon:

How much will it cost?

Not everyone has a smart phone.

What about those with special needs and disabled people who are not able to use technology?

How will this stop unscrupulous employers, hiring people they shouldn’t?

In countries like India and the Philippines, many people face significant challenges with digital literacy, especially in remote villages,yet they find ways to adapt and thrive. Disabled individuals in these regions often live in conditions that are hard to fathom, yet they manage to navigate their lives with resilience. In contrast, here, disabled individuals typically receive some level of support, often using modern wheelchairs, and they find their own paths forward. If those facing tougher circumstances can overcome their obstacles, it raises the question of why those in seemingly better situations, who are educated and literate, can't do the same.

This sounds like text from a certain book.

What exactly is the 'ultra far right'?

Exactly. That PP didn't answer me when I asked. They also couldn't answer my Q of whether there is an ultra far left.

I think it's what happens when you call everyone who disagrees with you "far right", you then need to coin a new term for people who are actually far right - hence ultra far right

Sounds about 'right', lol!

Their ideology is more far right than Reform. Hard far right I guess you could call it.

Supporters include Tommy Robinson and Elon Musk. Robinson was formerly a member of the BNP whose ideology is in favour of citizenship limited to an indigenous native (ethnically white) British population.

No, those are far right!
There is no official classification of ultra hard right as far as I can find.

Who is ultra hard left?

Not bothered about having to have an ID card, but I just don't trust the government to safely implement it, the contract will be given to the likes of serco,crapita etc,who hire people on temp contracts with minimal training to max their profits. That's my main concern with it.

It’s not an ID card issue, it’s a cyber security issue. 1950s ID cards could not be hacked.

Since the 1950s, technology has put innocent Post Masters in prison and given access to children’s nursery data and people’s bank accounts.

They're certainly an excellent way for someone to earn a few extra quid...

I already have an ID card for my other netionality/country of residence. I think it is a good idea as it is photo ID and saves me having to carry passports around. Not completely sure what information is held, other than basic stuff like names, address, date of birth and fingerprints. It is a physical card the same size as a credit card.
I see that the government has not yet decided on how to handle UK citizens living abroad, but I would be very reluctant to use anything to do with my phone. Fine with an actual, tangible piece of kit, apps can just get stuffed.

You aren't comparing like for like. We don't know yet what details this card will hold or what the card will look like. Phone app? Physical card? Acc to some Mumsnetters we should be chipped and have a card superglued to our foreheads with summary execution for those who don't comply. You said yourself you don't know what details your other card holds. But the Govt wants apps. Easier to get the data for them

It won't work in Northern Ireland.

Impossible & very dangerous.

I said that yesterday to a friend. There’s no way anyone up the Falls or in the Bogside is going to carry a Brit card.

Even worse a digital ID scheme on a phone. And good if they won’t.