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Labour isn't working - Thread 10

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TheNuthatch · 24/09/2025 11:33

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government.

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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strawberrybubblegum · 27/09/2025 07:10

EmpressoftheMundane · 26/09/2025 22:25

Just saw a self promotion on the BBC…they are billing themselves as “Our BBC” now!

As for digital ID cards, what problem are they solving? One already has to provide a passport when starting at a new company. Perhaps they would be more useful for accessing benefits and services instead of employment.

Perhaps they would be more useful for accessing benefits and services instead of employment.

But that's exactly the risk , and Darren Jones slipped up and revealed the intention when he said that it could be "the bedrock of the modern state and will allow for really quite exciting public service reform in the future"

Public services such as the NHS, emergency services etc are currently equally available to all and free at the point of use. So what needs to be reformed?

In the blink of an eye they'll have it tied to your tax record. And that's when it gets scary... How long will it be before they start restricting access to the NHS: maybe charging a contribution from those with 'broad shoulders' because we need to 'save our NHS', or prioritising 'the most vulnerable' (ie people who don't pay in Confused)?

Then you can move to the dystopian level... (You do have to consider how it could be used: we've seen how well-meaning laws have been twisted and used against us in recent years - despite assurances that it would never happen)

They could very easily and quickly link it to separately implemented electronic surveillance on online activity. The EU are looking at that, and it also appeals very much to Labour's controlling instinct. And then what? Starmer's recently rhetoric about a "contribution society" (which we all know has nothing to do with financial contribution, which Labour despise us for). Does Right Think improve your access to public services? It's a pretty short step! I'm not really a conspiracy theorist, but I can see so easily how it would play out... each step presented as reasonable until we've reached what is currently unthinkable.

I have quite a lot of faith in the UK as a stable, long-established democracy. We have one of the oldest legislatures in the world, we wrote the Magna Carta, we were instrumental in abolishing the slave trade (slavery being oulawed in england since 1100), we led the creation of the ECHR based on our own laws and values. Our combination of history and values are really very impressive and strongly protective.

But... but... but... we've seen in recent years that whilst these strengths do protect us eventually, they're slow to mobilise. The Trans-lobby caused havoc for 10 years before women's rights to protection were successfully asserted (and I don't think it's over). Immigration went up sharply from 2004, and it's taken 20 years and counting for any party to acknowledged that it's not what people want and act on that (they're still trying to keep it going - just trying to hide it from us. I include Boris in that condemnation for his actions after Brexit, as well as Starmer now).

Fast, big change is the danger. Labour want to get this through before they're kicked out. I think we need to mobilise just as quickly to prevent it.

strawberrybubblegum · 27/09/2025 07:15

The petition against digital ID is now at 1.5 million. I'm going to write to my MP. And I'm looking out for an organised protest.

strawberrybubblegum · 27/09/2025 07:26

And as for "fighting for the soul of the country". I'm willing to get out my proverbial "bow of burning gold" to make sure Starmer and his cronies don't wreak the destruction they intend on the soul of our country.

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EasternStandard · 27/09/2025 07:31

strawberrybubblegum · 27/09/2025 07:15

The petition against digital ID is now at 1.5 million. I'm going to write to my MP. And I'm looking out for an organised protest.

@strawberrybubblegumI agree with you and even though we have a good stable culture I think Labour and Starmer in particular is desperate to stay in, and control is easier than leading. You can change behaviour a huge amount with a pervasive system. Of course it can be done, look back to the pandemic but with access on top. Once you attach it to services and benefits, and whatever else that’s it.

I’d protest on this too, and hope to see people to the left there too, let me know if you see anything.

As for Starmer’s fighting talk it’s ridiculous but also telling. His fight is with people who don’t want to vote for him.

twistyizzy · 27/09/2025 07:32

strawberrybubblegum · 27/09/2025 07:26

And as for "fighting for the soul of the country". I'm willing to get out my proverbial "bow of burning gold" to make sure Starmer and his cronies don't wreak the destruction they intend on the soul of our country.

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Me too

twistyizzy · 27/09/2025 07:33

My evening of wine, pringles and no SM did me good.
Watched Corpse Bride + Burton's Alice in Wonderland with DD, snuggled on the sofa with spaniels and my furry throw. Log burner on and DH went out. Perfect evening 👌

TheNuthatch · 27/09/2025 08:04

strawberrybubblegum · 27/09/2025 07:15

The petition against digital ID is now at 1.5 million. I'm going to write to my MP. And I'm looking out for an organised protest.

Seconded

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TheNuthatch · 27/09/2025 08:06

twistyizzy · 27/09/2025 07:33

My evening of wine, pringles and no SM did me good.
Watched Corpse Bride + Burton's Alice in Wonderland with DD, snuggled on the sofa with spaniels and my furry throw. Log burner on and DH went out. Perfect evening 👌

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Sounds idilic 😊. Its good to switch off, glad you feel better for it.

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Absentosaur · 27/09/2025 08:07

@twistyizzy I’ve just had an email in which you may be interested..

You can get your dogs a dryrobe .. just sayin..

Labour isn't working - Thread 10
twistyizzy · 27/09/2025 08:07

Starmer has got another community note on X, he's racking them up 🤣🤣

Labour isn't working - Thread 10
twistyizzy · 27/09/2025 08:08

Absentosaur · 27/09/2025 08:07

@twistyizzy I’ve just had an email in which you may be interested..

You can get your dogs a dryrobe .. just sayin..

I can have dryrobe wanker dogs 🤣🤣🤣

I'm almost tempted just to take them shooting wearing those to wind the other handlers and guns up 🤣🤣

JustStopItNorasaurus · 27/09/2025 08:10

DH left a robust - yet polite- response to that same post on Stamer's facebook page.

Rather disappointed there was no reply. To his......or the 28k other responses to that single post.

Barbadossunset · 27/09/2025 08:13

This is hilarious:

The Guardian, for providing a way for rich, smug liberals to wear their “moral sanctimony” right across their chest, says Brendan O’Neill in The Daily Telegraph. In a collaboration with the New York luxury brand Lingua Franca, the newspaper has launched a range of £281 cashmere jumpers emblazoned with impeccably Guardianista slogans such as “Fiercely independent” and “Facts are sacred”. Readers of “Britain’s most high-minded paper” will no doubt love them. “What better way to mark yourself out from the madding crowd of oiks and gammon

upseedaisee · 27/09/2025 08:13

twistyizzy · 27/09/2025 07:33

My evening of wine, pringles and no SM did me good.
Watched Corpse Bride + Burton's Alice in Wonderland with DD, snuggled on the sofa with spaniels and my furry throw. Log burner on and DH went out. Perfect evening 👌

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Ditto, although it was me the cat and The First Wives Club. Feel much better this morning.
Sometimes you just need a few hours to reset. Glad you enjoyed your evening.

twistyizzy · 27/09/2025 08:14

Barbadossunset · 27/09/2025 08:13

This is hilarious:

The Guardian, for providing a way for rich, smug liberals to wear their “moral sanctimony” right across their chest, says Brendan O’Neill in The Daily Telegraph. In a collaboration with the New York luxury brand Lingua Franca, the newspaper has launched a range of £281 cashmere jumpers emblazoned with impeccably Guardianista slogans such as “Fiercely independent” and “Facts are sacred”. Readers of “Britain’s most high-minded paper” will no doubt love them. “What better way to mark yourself out from the madding crowd of oiks and gammon

Sums Grauniad and Labour supporters up well!

TheNuthatch · 27/09/2025 08:15

Barbadossunset · 27/09/2025 08:13

This is hilarious:

The Guardian, for providing a way for rich, smug liberals to wear their “moral sanctimony” right across their chest, says Brendan O’Neill in The Daily Telegraph. In a collaboration with the New York luxury brand Lingua Franca, the newspaper has launched a range of £281 cashmere jumpers emblazoned with impeccably Guardianista slogans such as “Fiercely independent” and “Facts are sacred”. Readers of “Britain’s most high-minded paper” will no doubt love them. “What better way to mark yourself out from the madding crowd of oiks and gammon

They should advertise them on MN. Plenty of customers for them on here.

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twistyizzy · 27/09/2025 08:16

upseedaisee · 27/09/2025 08:13

Ditto, although it was me the cat and The First Wives Club. Feel much better this morning.
Sometimes you just need a few hours to reset. Glad you enjoyed your evening.

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I do think I would be happier if I just stayed within my bubble but unfortunately I care too much about the state of the world so can't stop watching/reading/listening to the news etc.
Maybe I should just switch it all off and just live in ignorant bliss.

TheNuthatch · 27/09/2025 08:19

Good to see Starmer being called out on lies on SM. Does anyone actually believe this guff about ID stopping illegal working? Its such a nonsense.

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upseedaisee · 27/09/2025 08:20

twistyizzy · 27/09/2025 08:16

I do think I would be happier if I just stayed within my bubble but unfortunately I care too much about the state of the world so can't stop watching/reading/listening to the news etc.
Maybe I should just switch it all off and just live in ignorant bliss.

I often think the same, however like you I feel a sense of responsibility to at least try and make a difference.
Sometimes feel like John Smith and the country is the Titanic... Iceberg? what Iceberg? No turning for this sinking ship.😥

EasternStandard · 27/09/2025 08:23

twistyizzy · 27/09/2025 08:16

I do think I would be happier if I just stayed within my bubble but unfortunately I care too much about the state of the world so can't stop watching/reading/listening to the news etc.
Maybe I should just switch it all off and just live in ignorant bliss.

I appreciate your posts. Ik what the backlash is like from some in an attempt to drive people off. Meh to that.

twistyizzy · 27/09/2025 08:26

EasternStandard · 27/09/2025 08:23

I appreciate your posts. Ik what the backlash is like from some in an attempt to drive people off. Meh to that.

Oh I can deal with the backlash now, it's just desperate posters who are realising that they are in a tiny, and shrinking, minority.

EasternStandard · 27/09/2025 08:27

TheNuthatch · 27/09/2025 08:04

Seconded

Count me in. I can’t decide on emailing, I don’t think I can face Labour MP’s response, I’ve written over two other things and the bland party line back was ill making. Perhaps I still should?

I would protest.

twistyizzy · 27/09/2025 08:28

EasternStandard · 27/09/2025 08:27

Count me in. I can’t decide on emailing, I don’t think I can face Labour MP’s response, I’ve written over two other things and the bland party line back was ill making. Perhaps I still should?

I would protest.

I never get a response from my Labour MP but I keep emailing. I want to be the continual thorn in his side.

TheNuthatch · 27/09/2025 08:32

EasternStandard · 27/09/2025 08:27

Count me in. I can’t decide on emailing, I don’t think I can face Labour MP’s response, I’ve written over two other things and the bland party line back was ill making. Perhaps I still should?

I would protest.

I have emailed mine. I'm a regular in his inbox, but I don't care. If they all get that pressure from constituents it might help.
Yes to going on a protest. I would definitely march for this.

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TheNuthatch · 27/09/2025 08:52

More strikes for Andy Burnham's much lauded Bee Network.

This is the jewel in the crown of Andy Burnham, king of the north. Not a good look for him going in to conference.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c98dp65zvngo

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