Why was it mostly men on the march?

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I've seen quite a few photos of the march yesterday, and they pretty much all look like the one below. Vast majority men. Why is that? Why is Robinson's patriot messaging and call-to-action landing mostly with men and not women?

Voting by sex wasn't massively different in the last general election - men were certainly more likely to vote Reform, but not by a huge amount, so generally politically we're not that different.

@CupOTeaFather

That is not true for most Muslims. I work in school where around 30% of students are Muslims and have not seen any of them not integrating. We are multicultural school and most friendship groups seem inter faith/ inter racial. Usually “good” kids stick together and “ naughty” kids stick together regardless of religion or race. Yes, some girls wear scarves and specific clothes on non uniform days, but that does not mean they are not integrating in the society.
I wear a cross and attend a Catholic Church. Should I join CoE instead?

Academically, the worst performing group in England are now white boys eligible for free school meals, which means they are the ones most likely to end up unemployed or in low paying jobs, so I don’t think the Muslims are the problem for our society.

Just to add. Yes, Elon Musk was very vocal about the Muslim grooming gangs, but I don’t remember him being as vocal about Epstein’s grooming gang, which was ran by a white multimillionaire.

Same. I’ve always found it friendly and have never been stared at by men.

Whitechapel also historically had other immigrant communities: French Huguenots, Irish, and Germans (was known as “Little Germany” at one time).

Lots of people go to Whitechapel to socialise: lots of shop, bars and eateries.

In fact, lots of people go there because of the South Asian community, to the fantastic South-Asian restaurants, such as in Brick Lane area.

To go to a major international city, which was historically a major seaport, and complain there are immigrant communities is like going to the Sahara and complaining about the heat. Of course major cities have immigrant communities. They always have.

That is NOT what JHound was saying. They were saying the pp's story about a visit to Rotherham was embellished.

because when the men get back they will be expecting their tea on the table like the 1950's they are apparently pining for 😁. Or maybe women don't want to be in a march that has the potential for violence, I am sure there are loads of women who share Yaxley Lennon's/Robinson's views and think he is a persecuted hero but why they don't march in greater numbers is anyone's guess. Katie Hopkins was marching at the front so perhaps women who might have gone were happy to be represented by her. I was amused by South African US citizen Elon Musk's call for the dissolution of the UK parliament, I guess some (very rich) foreigners are more equal than others. i would think that Elon is donating generous amounts to Yaxley Lennon

So depressed and sad at the hatred and division and violence spreading in the country and the world. I thought we were better. I'm so sorry for my child, having to navigate this new world, which lacks kindness and rejects differences. I have never felt so frightened and hopeless. I wonder if this is how people felt in the years before World War II, seeing fascism take hold?

This is why I think protest groups should each have their own day. I can't understand why the two opposing sides were allowed to be so close to each other. It just makes it harder for the police. TR could have had his march yesterday and the counter group their march next Saturday. Anyone from either group who turned up at the other's should be arrested.

Less trouble that way.

i would think that Elon is donating generous amounts to Yaxley Lennon

Yes @lifeonmars100 , another thing the shining defender of British values has been in trouble for, potential misappropriation of donations, in the quite recent past

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-61753172

And how would she know exactly unless she was there at the time.

I was going to say exactly this.

The pro-Palestine women I know in my (old) social circle are all middle aged women, single, no children and with a lot of time on their hands.

They also all claim to be "feminists," yet when Hamas committed horrific rapes and sexual mutilation against women on October 7th, they looked the other way-until the evidence became undeniable (even the UN was forced to acknowledge it). Then, instead of condemning the atrocities, they pivoted and shrugged it off, as if women's suffering doesn't matter when Israel is involved. Go figure.

Yes. This really happened 😂😂😂😂😂

Was it peaceful?

Incidentally there is lots of evidence of women being less likely to be far right than men, so the absence of women shouldn’t be a surprise - and I don’t think it is just down to childcare/safety fears.

Historically in the UK women leaned slightly more towards the right than men but that started to shift in the 80s and by the 90s there was pretty much no gap in voting intention between women and men. But the pendulum kept moving and women are now (and particularly under Corbyn) much more likely to vote Labour than Tory or Reform.

But the gap when it comes to far right politics is much more stark. 90% of prevent referees for extreme right views were of men - more than referrals for Islamist extremism for example.

Plenty of legitimate hypotheses as to why that would be the case - I don’t know what the real reason is but I imagine it is a combination of things:

-women (esp younger women) more likely now to have higher educational attainment than men which is a main predictor of far right sentiment;

-women have disproportionately benefited from internationalist views - pay equality, maternity protections etc all have strong EU origins.

-the far right movement is close to interchangeable with extremely anti woman manosphere politics that wants women back in their place and denuded of rights.

-women are statistically more likely to be primary carers of both children and the elderly, as well as work in ‘care’ sectors etc. So more likely to be at the coalface of public services and more concerned with ‘bread and butter’ issues than more abstract concerns around flags and patriotism.

They won't though, their prejudice won't allow them to.

Not really how freedom of assembly and the right to protest works though

I think it is fair to take the claims with a rather large pinch of salt, given the fact that the poster concerned is trying to direct people to Yaxley-Lennon material (and is presenting him as a hero).

YMMV.

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Most muslims in particular do not want to 'integrate' into our society/ culture.

Could you explain:

• How you define ‘our society/culture’? Some examples?
• The evidence (other than one anecdote) for your assertion that ‘most’ Muslims don’t want to be part of it.
• The evidence that recent immigrants who are Muslim are made to feel welcome and encouraged to be part of the society/culture.

Why not, if you look at some of the earlier photos before the march started, people looked really happy draped in union jacks and St. George's flags, there was a photo of one man riding a Penny Farthing so I can believe that there were families there at the start.

But then once the march started and the two opposing groups were close to each other, tempers would have flared and that's when trouble starts.

There were so many people there that I can imagine some people were with groups of people where it was good natured. You always get a small group no matter what the protest who only go to cause trouble.

No but it's the police who I feel sorry for.

@Usernameunavailableagain12 somewhat like the anti Brexit marches on London then !! Strange when you don’t like it if it hits your kind of politics

No idea what YMMV means, is that another code.

@StewkeyBlueso it’s good that women can go to marches that support a terrorist organisation that raped women and killed children but better they couldn’t manage an anti immigration rally?

ew.

@2dogsandabudgieit means your mileage may vary

I can't speak for everyone. It's my experience of many, not all Muslims and I'm talking about adults not school children.

Yes, Elon Musk has been vocal in critising Trump for not releasing the Epstein files.