No-one is mentioning Trump's stroke

[CharlotteCChapel]

It's like tumbleweed out there. During the live televised 9/11 remembrance service Trump's face drooped on one side.

No-one in the mainstream media seems to be mentioning it.

Ive only seen it mentioned on IHIP and the Meidas Touch.

That's not true. Not all Christians believe all abortion is wrong. It's more polarised in America though.

My dad is a baptist minister and he is ok with early abortion on demand, and for a longer period for health/disability/necessity.

I'm a Christian and I have similar views to him, probably slightly more restrictive tbh as I believe first trimester abortion is wrong but that is also proportional for it to be a legal option. Just like adultery is wrong but not illegal, I'm worried the direction the US is going with banning abortion even where it risks the woman's life.

I have friends who are Christian who very firmly label themselves as pro choice. I don't know any Christians in the UK who would be against abortion where continuing the pregnancy would put mums life at risk. Most are ok with it for disabilities which are incompatible with life.

On the other side, many of us are also the pro assisted suicide charges.

Please don't pigeon hole is with the extremist American nutjobs. Kirk was one of those. He didn't deserve to die because of it, but I'm not going to use any tears on him given his view was that some gun deaths are justified so he can carry about gun. They're are many more deaths or they're which deserve my tears more.

Yes but if that anonymous troll picks up an AK47 and sprays gunfire around a public setting, school, mall, that's the problem in the US.

I don't know what to tell you. I can't find any. I've been scrolling X for a while. There's the odd post calling out a screenshot from an unknown, unverifiable (who knows if even real) source. But even those aren't of what I'd call celebrations.
We'll have to agree to disagree if you really can't guide me.

I think you need to help yourself here. You can’t expect everyone to do the work for you. Stop asking @GoldThumbas you disbelieve whatever she says and take a look.

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We are talking about when human life begins? I am aware that not every fertilized egg implants, etc.

I commend you for being honest actually.

But it wouldn’t happen like that. In a vacuum. Where they’re assassinated and the opinions just… go away.

it’s a very slippery slope, because today someone you dislike has been assassinated, then tomorrow it will be someone you do like.

It will reverberate, there will be retribution.

Or there will be a dictatorship, with no dissenting opinions.

It’s dangerous, and has no place in civil society

Do you believe the many of us who are telling you we haven't seen anything like it on our SM?

Algorithms work that way. X for example likes to push certain views more than others .

Suspect has been identified as Tyler Robinson, 22 yo and is not a member of any political party.

The article isn’t based on what you’ve seen. But yes people have been highlighted as doing so on BlueSky.

It's not about what I believe, it's about factual information.
The fusion of egg and sperm needs to happen for new human life, but that fusion event won't always ultimately result in a healthy human life. There can be problems at all the stages between fertilisation and eventual birth, as many women/couples sadly find out.
I do personally believe that abortion as early as possible is the best option, should abortion be required, however there are scenarios where later abortion is still the best, albeit heartbreaking, option for all concerned.

Anyway, start a thread of abortion rights if you want to discuss that more in depth, because we're now hijacking this thread.

I don’t really care if you saw it, or not.
Like I said, I’m not here to persuade anyone of anything.

My original post was to just express how me seeing it made me feel.

This was just me scrolling various sm platforms in the immediate aftermath of the news.

You didn’t see it? Lucky you.

I’m not going to start posting peoples Facebook profiles, if that’s what you want?

A lot of them went ‘poof’ by the next morning, assuming they didn’t want screenshots sent to their employers. etc.
I know many have been screenshot/saved and are still being widely shared.

‘Old orange bloke’… I’d say that’s mocking his appearance

He is what would be considered 'old' in terms of UK/US lifespan.
He is quite orange.
He is a bloke.

He isn't always complimentary towards other's appearances either.

Maybe have a look at the accounts you are following if you want to stop seeing posts like that.

The pp was still correct to say there is that rhetoric online.

Like, I don’t disagree with anything you are saying here? I am actually pro-choice.

But saying new human life begins at conception is not a sop to the pro-life lobby, imho. You can still have a reasonable discussion on where protections for a
developing life should begin. And that’s not a scientific question, but one for society itself to determine.

Many of us who are pro choice are perfectly capable of seeing the ‘humanity’ in a rapist’s child. It’s not a child’s fault if they are born as a result of rape.

I just don’t believe that it can be morally right to force a existing, living child to carry a foetus to term against their will so it too can become a child, at the expense of their own physical, emotional and mental health. It’s tantamount to torture to want a child to go through that.

You said yourself that you wouldn’t put your own child through it because you know the untold damage it would cause her.

So I’m baffled as to why you think he was a ‘better person’ than you for saying he would choose to put his daughter through such trauma were she raped and became pregnant as a result. I can’t understand the logic there.

In his ideal world, 12/13 year old girls (for example) who were raped and became pregnant as a result would not be legally allowed access to a termination if a doctor said that they could survive giving birth to their rapist’s child. It beggars belief that as a woman and a mother of a daughter you praise that world view as morally ‘better’ than the alternative.

You’d still have called him a ‘better person’ than you if it happened to your daughter and his ideal world had come true? I doubt it, you would curse the law he supported that forced your daughter to go through such a thing.

Cool

As I said, start a discussion on that if you like.

Honestly, there’s no point.

Even if they did see it, it would just be handwaved away.

Like I said, it wasn’t even the rhetoric that bothered me, or that it was particular ‘influential’ people, but just the sheer volume.

Not fake names, but real names, in their work gear, workplaces attached to their accounts.

Like it was just so.. normal?

They aren't true Christians! You cant pick and choose which parts suit you. You have to be against anyone taking a life.

I know. It’s pointless. Idk why it’s just blanked but you’re right.

Are you a Trump fan @RingoJuice?

Charlie Kirk was one of the biggest ones going and you consider him to have been a good man.

It’s just you’re quite rightly disgusted by rapists and presumably people who sexually assault others.

So I’m interested in your thoughts on Charlie Kirk choosing to dedicate so much of his life to supporting Trump, who has been accused of dozens of sexual assaults for decades, by independent women in various places?

Would a good man support someone who is, on balance of probability unless you think they are all liars, likely to have at least sexually assaulted some women?

What is a true christian then? I've yet to meet one who follows, let alone even understands, the whole bible. 🤣