Charlie Kirk dead

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The last thread was taken down because of personal insults towards the man.

We should be able to have a thread about this news topic.

Report any insulting posts. Mumsnet can you please just delete the offending posts, instead of deleting the whole thread?

Thank you.

Charlie Kirk has died today. He was shot at a public talk that he was giving.

And a good thing people did challenge him.

Kirk was only 31. He might have moderated in later years. He certainly was a man of talents. Any potential ge had is snuffed out now.

That’s a very easy opinion to have when the person’s views don’t personally affect you.

The reality is that the people who Kirk targeted likely are in a stressed state, given the election result and the nature of Trump’s policies. Most people in those groups won’t do actions like this but a small minority will be tipped over into it due to various factors quite often involving MH or becoming radicalised.

That’s the reality and that’s why divisive positions whether far Left or far Right, especially when the economy is not so good, does not benefit the nation as a whole. Divisiveness begets more divisiveness and social cohesion should be a priority.

You can have a gun at home though. Need a licence ofc.

It reminds me of a comment made by Charlie Kirk that it is important for all sides to openly express and debate different opinions in person (rather than online) in a respectful and civilised manner. Because the moment we can no longer do that then sadly the alternative is to resort to violence.

With the rise of right wing politics across many countries, I now believe that an increasing number of those on who disagree with this politics are starting to resort to violence. Just as we saw with the murder of Jo Cox by someone who disagreed with Brexit and chose murder over debate.

You may not have liked Charlie Kirk's views but he debated in an open and well mannered way. His assassination sends a message that those who disagree with his (and others) right wing views are not interested in debate, they are convinced that their views are the only permissible views and if necessary they are willing to murder to prevent other opinions.

It's not violence or murder but just look at the LibDems today calling for the BBC to stop giving a platform and coverage to Reform. "Our view is the only permissible view".

Please show me where I said that. All I am saying is that if it is OK to call George Floyd names after his death, why are people getting angry when posters do the same to Charlie Kirk? I don't personally consider either man to be an upstanding member of society but neither of them deserved to die and neither one deserves to be called names after they were killed.

I am a right-winger, and I respected Charlie for his willingness to debate people, to try to change minds through dialogue. He was a good person.

I am also pro-choice, but I respect where they are coming from. They simply believe all life is sacred and a gift from god.

I just happen to think such a viewpoint is hopelessly naive.

That’s made me giggle. Of course he would think that! Silly to question the morality of the policing of women’s bodies.

Of course we should all have the freedom to choose but "lovely people" don't support Trump. It is absolutely their prerogative to do so but they are not 'lovely'

Anyway, that was a weird thing to throw in, not sure why you felt we needed to know you know some faux lovely Trump supporters 🙄

Charlie Kirk was vile but his wife and children did not deserve this to be their last memory of him. Just awful.

But you know that Trump et al are strategising on the best way to use this to their advantage. Guess those Epstein files can 'legitimately' be pushed to the side whilst this is used as much as it can be. Timing couldn't have been better for the Govt

Just some 'prayers and thoughts' when it is anyone else, especially children, as everyone then just sits back for the next one.

No. Every death is a tragedy
No, it really isn't.

He AGREED with Brexit. He was a neo-nazi.

Even if it is not their body, men are always going to have an opinion on abortion, as it is their sperm

Why would you compare a criminal who thought it okay to rob a woman at gun point to a man just sat at a uni campus having a calm rational debate with people happy to be there listening to him. No threats or criminal activity involved….

Don't quite understand your response. I am asking a question about your response to the Kirk story. You seem very angry and I am not sure why exactly.

George Floyd was a drug addict and convicted felon who had held a gun to a woman’s stomach during an armed robbery. “Scumbag” is not too much of a stretch as a description. But Charlie Kirk never said that he deserved to die. There is no equivalence between the two of them.

I was a staunch Remainer, but "agreeing with Brexit" does not make you a "neo-nazi," ffs. Get a friggin grip.

How can you respect a view that even 10yo rape victims should not be allowed an abortion?

Is a person who thinks that really 'a good person'?

I think 'naive' is an overly generous way to describe such a view...

Not sure if telling 30yp women that at that age men understandably won't want you is very good either, esp when you married a 32yo who went to college & has several career things ongoing (both of which Kirk decried for women, unless it was a 'Mrs degree' to find a husband

Only 31? It is without a doubt far, far too young to die but I think by that age, you are unlikely to change such an extreme view.

No he didn't. He robbed a woman at gunpoint in 2007 but she was not pregnant. I don't condone what he did at all but at least be accurate.

If they're that bothered about their sperm, they should take responsibility for it.

And not rape children or anyone else.

Floyd wasn't robbing anyone at gunpoint when he was murdered.

He had changed his life since that terrible action.

It is well publicised he was a neo-nazi. Who also wanted to silence left wing Jo Cox because she was a Remainer.

Every murder is a tragedy, but not every death. Whilst the death of a 10yr old from leukaemia is a tragedy, the death of a 95yr old who's lived a productive life and had a positive influence on everyone around them isn't a tragedy - quite the opposite - it's something to be celebrated and looked back on with love and affection.

I seem very angry?

Lol. My post was the most polite, non angry post there could possibly be.

You asked me was i a trump supporter. I answered "no. Why do you ask".

Where was I angry?

People do often mellow, loads of 60s & 70s radicals did, for one.

Because both men were murdered and when Charlie Kirk called George Floyd a scumbag that's OK but anyone calling Charlie Kirk names for his views (which a lot of people condemned) is out of line. It's just a double standard.

very sad but it’s what he wanted and campaigned for.