Charlie Kirk dead

[Booneymil]

The last thread was taken down because of personal insults towards the man.

We should be able to have a thread about this news topic.

Report any insulting posts. Mumsnet can you please just delete the offending posts, instead of deleting the whole thread?

Thank you.

Charlie Kirk has died today. He was shot at a public talk that he was giving.

It wasn't that he didn't agree with abortion, he spoke specifically about how he believed a rape victim should have to carry and give birth to the baby who is a product of that rape.

Because this was always posed to him.

Any time he debated someone about abortion, he was always asked about rape.

He didn’t believe in abortions under any circumstances, so of course this would be his position.

Have they confirmed that?
Doesn't mean he wasn't also trans or a trans supporter, but thanks for letting us know.

More on the right in america CENSORING their disgusting history being taught to kids in schools:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/25/critical-race-theory-us-history-1619-project

"Today’s reactionaries are picking up the mantle of generations of Americans who have fought to ensure that white children are taught a version of America’s past that is more hagiographic than historic", with examples cited including Oregon enacting a law in the 1920s that banned the use of any textbook in schools that "speaks slightingly of the founders", to Lynne Cheney, the chair of the National Endowment for the Humanities, launching a campaign in the 1990s against an effort to introduce new standards for teaching U.S. history which she found insufficiently "celebratory".

One of those "founders" was thomas jefferson, who raped his 15 year old slave, one of 600 African human beings he owned.

Charlie Kirk did not want this history being taught. He wanted "patriotic history".

I didn’t say you were gloating. My post clearly said that’s what was happening on the deleted thread.

Didn't work out so well for Charlie Kirk.

So you think Taliban society where women are not allowed to look out of the window is ‘equal’ to western society?

You think George Floyd who held a gun to a pregnant woman’s stomach is not a scumbag?

so that’s 2 out of 4 statements that are perfectly sensible unless you are so open minded your brain fell out or so uninformed it’s embarassing.

I don't think he was that helpful for the position of lesbian women, given his opposition to lgb rights (not just t)

I don't think telling women the pill would automatically make them crazy, that they were past their prime at 30 & men would be justified not to be interested (tho he married a 32yo!) is very respectful.

I don't think discouraging women from college & careers (tho his wife has both) is v respectful.

And I do NOT think that wanting to bar abortion even for rape victims, even for 10yo rape victims, is respectful or keeps women safe, at all.

That said : His death was a vile atrocity.

Please can people on this thread who seem to have lost their empathy remember his poor wife,,who saw him shot (they were only married quite recently) and his tiny children 😢

OK so it's fine for Charlie Kirk to call George Floyd, a murdered man, a scumbag because he had a history of hatred/violence in his past but it's not OK for other posters to call Charlie Kirk, a murdered man, names because he has hatred in his past?

Erm, he said if his daughter was raped and became pregnant he’d agree with a law that says she should carry that baby to term.

I remember abortion being one of the topics for ‘debate’ at my school decades ago. At the time I joined in. Now, I understand that women’s healthcare being up for debate is an issue. Anyone who would force a 10 yo rape victim to carry a pregnancy and give birth is advocating child abuse. The Overton window keeps moving over and over to a place where women’s rights are just a talking point. Once you’re advocating a 10 yo having to give birth, and on MUMSnet we know how that is for grown adult women who have chosen to do it, you should STFU.

Do I think this man deserved to die in front of his wife and child? Of course not. Do I think women’s and children’s rights are a football for men to pass around? Also, of course not.

It didn’t. And that’s where people are conflicted on the gun situation. On the one hand there are a majority of people wanting guns for protection, but on the other side you have school shootings and assassinations carried out by a minority of people who should be nowhere near a gun.

Go and watch one of his rallies rather than reading slanted articles about him. Listen to what he says. Watch how open and respectful, genial and often kindly he is to those who disagree with him and reflect on how the media portrays this as extremism.

He would talk to and answer questions from anyone. His whole point was that people who disagree need to engage in respectful dialogue because when talking stops violence begins and we all lose.

Because a child is a gift from God and somehow sacred? Aye, right. That hypothetical ten-year-old is, by the laws of any civilised country, also a child. Should she lose any of a child’s protections or a woman’s rights because a dick she can’t consent to has been inside her?
Rank and blatant misogyny.

Has Charlie Kirk assaulted and threatened women physically then? Seems unlikely but happy to see the evidence.

But he didnt just stand there and announce that.

People constantly kept asking him about abortion and rape

Or are you comparing Floyd attacking a pregnant women with Kirk saying some ‘hurty words’ if so then you are even more pathetic than I already thought you were.

OP, I am confused. Are you a Kirk supporter and therefore a Trump supporter? Do you agree with their views on women? And abortion is wrong but shooting kids is OK? Rather interested.

You are not following my point.

Personally. I am pro abortion

I said that many religious people are anti abortion in any circumstance. That is just how it is

No I am not a Kirk supporter or a Trump supporter.

Why do you ask?

I know who charlie kirk is. His death is the top story on news sites. Of course discussion threads are going to be started on it

Intresting. I've spoken to a lot of religious anti-abortinists online, and the majoritysaks they supported rape exemptions. Even some of the US states w v harsh abortion bans have them.

I am aware of Catholicism's position. I know very well that Pope John Paul II told rape victims during the Bosnian war : 'Accept the enemy into you.' 😡

But I also know that Catholics on the ground sometimes disagree. Quite a few on the contraception rule for one, or priests not being allowed to marry.

Besides, most US Christians are evangelicals, not Catholics.

VERY disturbing if this is NOT a fringe position. I an still not convinced.

Because of his extreme views and how he'd like to force his views onto women and girls by making it policy and restricting abortions.

If he had a bog standard view on abortion, he wouldn't have been asked about it all of the time.

Do you think George Floyd was an upstanding
member of society? Is that what you are saying?

But why wouldn't they? This is a guy in power and they have mothers, sisters, daughters, nieces. Why would you not want to clarify if this person in power would rather see your loved one bleed out than allow a life saving procedure?

If you don't ask these things sneak past unspoken, see Mandleson and other politicians.

Yes we all know that he had strict views on abortion.

You are aware that the story about George Floyd attacking a pregnant woman has been debunked right? Floyd was convicted in a 2007 case of robbing a woman named Aracely Henriquez at gunpoint. However, there is no mention in court documents that she was pregnant, a claim made by Owens that has appeared in several viral posts. And no, that's not me making any excuse but if you're going to argue you could at least have the correct facts.