Charlie Kirk dead

[Booneymil]

The last thread was taken down because of personal insults towards the man.

We should be able to have a thread about this news topic.

Report any insulting posts. Mumsnet can you please just delete the offending posts, instead of deleting the whole thread?

Thank you.

Charlie Kirk has died today. He was shot at a public talk that he was giving.

You're determined to see something that isn't there.

The right in the white settler shitstain entity that is america censor history being taught in schools. That's why americans are so patriotic, they aren't taught actual history and how disgusting that white settler enity is. The fella who was killed today was all for censoring history and teaching, quote, "patriotic history", ie. WHITEWASHED "history".

https://education.indiana.edu/ceep/education-policy/policy-briefs/2024/censorship-of-critical-perspectives-in-american-schools.html

"The findings indicate that in 16 Republican-dominated states, policies have been enacted to restrict the teaching of critical perspectives on race, sexuality, and other controversial subjects and to perpetuate a positive view of U.S. history.

Since 2021, nearly one-third of states have banned K-12 school curricula that offer critical views of the racial past of the U.S., with some of these laws explicitly mentioning critical race theory (CRT) or specific materials like the 1619 Project. Legislatures in 40 states have introduced over 200 bills that would restrict curricula, and some of these laws would penalize teachers for teaching certain ‘divisive concepts’ (e.g., topics related to race, gender, diversity, oppression, and/or sexuality).

The study found that 16 states – in which Republican politicians control the government – are using their formal authority to remove critical perspectives in schools. Relatedly, these states are actively seeking to prevent or dissuade schools/students from engaging in critical thought, in large part by encouraging or requiring them to steer clear of content that might be sensitive or controversial.

I was reading the SAS man Chris Ryan recently. He says that most people who shoot intruders are not convicted, esp if female, bc of the threat. It's not true we are sitting ducks just bc wr don't have US style gun laws, it's not that black and white.

Can you give citations for when he preached hate and division?

You’re entitled to hold that opinion. But to gloat and celebrate someone’s death, as some did on the other other thread is abhorrent, and not okay.

Debate and free speech I was raised to believe by my father are very important. I still believe that. I feel I'm in the minority these days.

Or women taking contraception and therefore taking control of their own sex lives and reproductive choices?

It wasn't that he didn't agree with abortion, he spoke specifically about how he believed a rape victim should have to carry and give birth to the baby who is a product of that rape.

That isn't making the world safer for women and girls. It's dangerous and regressive.

Men having the power to make decisions about the bodies of rape victims (including children) is what makes me sad, angry, and scared.

Russian bots sowing division?

It dates back to the 'militia' in their sacred Consuitution & the West frontier culture too.

There are advantages to NOT having a written constitution..

3 teenagers are currently all in critical condition after a shooting at a high school in Colorado which happened at a similar time to Charlie Kirk getting shot.

I don’t recall him preaching hate and division. Unless by that you define any opinion you don’t like as “hate”, and you think that anyone who disagrees with you should face “consequences”.

If more people took the time to listen to and debate with people who don’t agree with them, we’d have a lot less hate and division,

Are bots really interested in Mumsnet. They must find us very entertaining at times.

Since critical race theory is a load of shit, it’s not surprising.

I was expecting to read that the Republicans had banned teaching about real racism like The trail of tears, Japanese Internment Camps or Jim Crow not a load of liberal arts bolllocks.

We’re like sitting ducks not just because of lack of protection of a weapon, but also due to lack of protection from the police who now class searching social media for hate speech more important than attending someone’s home following traumatic criminal activity.

You think I try to come across as a big softie... ...idealist? You clearly haven't read many of my posts.

I did not wish death on Charlie Kirk, I did not facilitate his death, I don't not support his killer. Nor do I think his death is a tragedy. Ironic, yes. Tragic, no.

In English we had debating lessons and a competition once a year. I wonder if it's still taught in schools.

Oh, I was wrong. Not page six, page four….

But a lot of people don’t believe in abortions under any circumstances.

Listing the worst of the worst circumstances out, won’t make those people change their opinions.

It’s not a view I share, but it isn’t unusual. I don’t even think Catholicism permits abortions in cases of rape.

This is so deranged it’s impossible to deal with it

Charlie Kirk had some views you don’t like. Views. Opinions. Discussions, just words.
He literally created space to talk about topics with people with any view at all, he was the opposite of divisive. He talked to real people, and it got him killed by an equally deranged person who can’t tolerate a different opinion.

I think the pill is overall bad for women too, do I deserve to be shot?
I also think it’s best to have children before you are 30, wanna shoot me?
You are so ridiculous

Ofc he was entitled to it. I criticise it strongly, I didn't want to stop him saying it.

Does your Catholic friend think even child rape victims should not be allowed abortion?

You shouldn't fall out w her though. Dialogue is crucial.

Most religious anti abortionists still support rape exemptions. Kirk's views were extreme by their standards.

“It drives the left nuts when you say this, that all men are created equal in the eyes of God, all men and women, but not all cultures are created equal,” Kirk said.

Then there was his remark about Ilhan Omar who is a Muslim lawmaker when he said "“She should be deported,” Kirk said. “She hates the country. She’s a terrorist sympathizer.”

Kirk called George Floyd, the Black man whose 2020 murder at the hands of Minneapolis police sparked protests that roiled Trump’s last full year in office, a “scumbag.”

“We made a huge mistake when we passed the Civil Rights Act in the 1960s,” Kirk said during a political convention called America Fest in 2023. Kirk referred to King Jr. as “awful.”

Shall I continue?

It was an older man

Well I guess it might be working out well for those who feel safer in their homes because they have a gun for protection.

Please show me where I was gloating or celebrating. I don't wish harm on anyone and political violence has no place in any society.

How dare we love and support our own country and people, is what you’re saying?

When I hear that you don’t think my country is legitimate, I start to get the message that you don’t think I should exist either.

You think we are an ideological stain. You show it all the time. You want us gone and erased from history.