Page 38 | Charlie Kirk dead

Booneymil · 2025-09-10T22:20:26+00:00

The last thread was taken down because of personal insults towards the man. We should be able to have a thread about this news topic. Report any insulting posts. Mumsnet can you please just delete the offending posts, instead of deleting the whole thread? Thank you. Charlie Kirk has died today. He was shot at a public talk that he was giving.

CasualDayHasGoneTooFar · 11/09/2025 09:28

IGaveSoManySigns · 11/09/2025 07:50

The issue is, he wasn’t even against it in cases of rape. He has gone on the record to say that if his ten year old daughter was raped and became pregnant, he would not allow her to have an abortion.

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That's the point though.

If he said it was OK to abort a foetus based on how it was made (either with or without consent/enjoyment) then that's hypocritical.

MrsSkylerWhite · 11/09/2025 09:28

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Apparently there was no security at the venue. A reporter who was interviewing people at the event was able to walk straight in with a telescopic camera stand sticking out of his bag and there was no-one to search his bag. An easy target, presumably.

It will continue until someone in power in the US has the sense to bring in tight gun controls.

Dweetfidilove · 11/09/2025 09:29

HoldingUpSp0rk · 11/09/2025 09:19

I am American.

When I heard he was dead I made two predictions.

1). The establishment media and their anonymous pawns on the socials would say "well he supported gun rights so he had it coming hurr hurr." I am sorry to report that mumsnet did not disappoint as almost the very first commentator said exactly that. Shame on all of you who conflate gun rights with gun violence. The UK schools are battling a massive problem of knife crime for crying out loud. And if it's not knives, it's arson. The problem is not the weapons but the moral depravity and absolute nihilism into which we have allowed our children to fall, in all Western countries. There is no band-aid cure for that. (As a side note, part of the reason we support gun rights so strongly is because the kick-off to the American Revolutionary War started with the British soldiers attempting to take American guns and ammunition. It is a form of control that only impacts the "good guys"; not anyone who would be breaking the law anyway.)

2). The establishment media would jump on "maga extremists reacting in rage to death of Charlie Kirk", instead of just simply reporting on facts of the case.

Both of these predictions happened in record time. It is despicable how lost my nation is.

This is not an issue of gun violence. This is an issue of Christian persecution. Hating Christians is a perfectly acceptable form of bigotry where I live. Children in Christian schools are being targeted and killed. Expect to see many more high profile American Christians murdered.

Let's call this for what it is. This was not a random act of political violence or a result of loose gun laws. This was a blood killing. In the eyes of the church, he is a martyr. There will be more to come.

Christ in the vessel! I was discussing with family this morning that the idiot who shot this asshole will make him a martyr 🤦🏾‍♀️.

Aaaaarrrrggghhhhh! He was just a louder than most extremist. Nothing special!

YanTanTetheraPetheraBumfitt · 11/09/2025 09:29

It’ll certainly be interesting to see what precisely was the killers motive when they catch up with them. Was it an anti gun person (doubtful), a pro trans person, a feminist, a pro Palestine person, anti Christian, general left wing anti maga person, Taylor Swift fan. 🤷🏻‍♀️

BananaPeels · 11/09/2025 09:29

Americasfavouritefightingfrenchman · 11/09/2025 09:27

I don’t agree with anyone being shot for their views, would never advocate for it and wouldn’t celebrate someone I disagree with being shot. In spite of that I can genuinely say I don’t find it sad this man is dead. I’m far more concerned that his death might push more people to follow his vile, misogynistic views on abortion than I am about what happened to him. That may not be very kind but it’s more honest than pretending what he was in life is irrelevant now he is dead.

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How can you not be sad someone is dead? That is weird.

Even If someone held the most polar opposite of views to mine- literally no common ground, if still be said of something bad happened to them.

what on earth is wrong with society?

WellThisIsFranklyDreadful · 11/09/2025 09:30

MrsSkylerWhite · 11/09/2025 09:28

Apparently there was no security at the venue. A reporter who was interviewing people at the event was able to walk straight in with a telescopic camera stand sticking out of his bag and there was no-one to search his bag. An easy target, presumably.

It will continue until someone in power in the US has the sense to bring in tight gun controls.

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It wouldn’t have mattered if there was security - it happened in a state where concealed carry is perfectly legal, so anyone over 18 was legally allowed to bring as many guns along as they wanted.

Rosscameasdoody · 11/09/2025 09:30

WellThisIsFranklyDreadful · 11/09/2025 09:12

I mean, that’s a pretty big thing for you to miss, did you not do history at school?

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Well clearly you did too, because it was you who said Hitler didn’t kill anyone. He just said things. 🙄

ThatBlackCat · 11/09/2025 09:30

Another2Cats · 11/09/2025 09:23

Really?

Well, there are only a few places in the developed world where you can do that at will. Most countries (and US states) put limits on when a woman has a "right" to an abortion.

In the USA there are nine states where you can get an abortion right up until the day before you give birth (places like Oregon and Colorado).

Everywhere else, even places like California and Washington, places limits.

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That old myth. There is no such thing as 'abortion right up til birth'. That is literally called birth. The woman has to actually go into labor and give birth. Even if the foetus was killed before it exited. And no woman goes through 40 weeks of; nausea and hospitalisation with it, weight gain, back ache, nose bleeds, high blood pressure, gestational diabetes, preeclampsia, pelvic inflammation, increased fluid on limbs and organs etc etc etc to just..... decided at 39 weeks and 6 days to kill it. ffs use some common sense here. Any late term abortions are always due to a medical emergency. And always involve the woman having to go through labor and childbirth anyway.

1dayatatime · 11/09/2025 09:30

MyHeartyCoralSnail · 11/09/2025 09:15

i think most think this was a professional hit due to the nature of the shot and disappearance of the gunman To go to those lengths it would be someone who wanted to silence him. This would indicate someone who either disagreed with his personal perspective or the government of which he was supporter and whose views he largely aligned with. This would, whilst not conclusive, certainly indicate a left leaning motive.

it is unlikely (although not impossible) this was a deranged individual who could have a number of motives (and would more likely have been shot or arrested)

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I'm just surprised that his assassination has been blamed on the Israelis yet.

I mean if you can repackage some fuckwit letting off a flare gun and getting it all wrong as an Israeli drone attack travelling 3000 km from Israel then I'm sure someone will reinvent CK's murder as a Mossad assassination.

lljkk · 11/09/2025 09:30

@Booneymil : are you going to start a thread about how "sad it is" every time someone famous with controversial views dies, or is just a Charlie Kirk sympathy thing?

I thought I followed USA politics pretty closely and never heard of the guy until he got killed. <shrug>

ps: I picked up the gossip as soon as I heard about CK that Israelis were being blamed by MAGA, that conspiracy theory got fast momentum.

MrsSkylerWhite · 11/09/2025 09:31

Booneymil · 10/09/2025 23:35

I wonder why whoever did it decided to shoot him.

There are people who are much more powerful than him, who havent been shot at.

He was just a guy that went round college campuses.

Sorry, quoted wrong poster above. Meant to quote this.

LillyPJ · 11/09/2025 09:31

Haemagoblin · 11/09/2025 09:27

What an absolute bag of nuttery. Every single one of your statements is unsubstantiated and/or logically flawed.

Readily available guns are a problem. Even if we accept your premise that the UK school knife crime problem is anywhere on the level of the violence in US schools, how many people can you kill with a knife before people run away/catch you? The death toll from gun attacks does and always will enormously outstrip that of knife crime, simply because of the nature of the weapon. And while it is difficult to limit access to and ownership of knives due to their multiple non-harmful uses, there is only one thing that a gun is for and that's to shoot and kill things. There is absolutely no reason why access to and ownership of them can't and shouldn't be restricted, and it stands to reason it would protect children to do so.

Moreover, the stats comparing school deaths in America with civilised countries where access to firearms is limited bears this out. So you haven't got a leg to stand on and are just in a state of frothing paranoia.

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Moreover, it's not 'persecution' of Christians either.

EasternStandard · 11/09/2025 09:32

BananaPeels · 11/09/2025 09:29

How can you not be sad someone is dead? That is weird.

Even If someone held the most polar opposite of views to mine- literally no common ground, if still be said of something bad happened to them.

what on earth is wrong with society?

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Good question. People are losing it, it won’t help.

WellThisIsFranklyDreadful · 11/09/2025 09:32

Rosscameasdoody · 11/09/2025 09:30

Well clearly you did too, because it was you who said Hitler didn’t kill anyone. He just said things. 🙄

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Please find me one example where Hitler personally pulled the trigger, pressed the gas chamber button or stabbed someone. I’ll wait.

That’s literally MY WHOLE POINT. That words are NOT just saying things. Words have power and influence and can do terrible things. Hitler brought about the death of millions just with his words and influence.

swimsong · 11/09/2025 09:33

HoldingUpSp0rk · 11/09/2025 09:19

I am American.

When I heard he was dead I made two predictions.

1). The establishment media and their anonymous pawns on the socials would say "well he supported gun rights so he had it coming hurr hurr." I am sorry to report that mumsnet did not disappoint as almost the very first commentator said exactly that. Shame on all of you who conflate gun rights with gun violence. The UK schools are battling a massive problem of knife crime for crying out loud. And if it's not knives, it's arson. The problem is not the weapons but the moral depravity and absolute nihilism into which we have allowed our children to fall, in all Western countries. There is no band-aid cure for that. (As a side note, part of the reason we support gun rights so strongly is because the kick-off to the American Revolutionary War started with the British soldiers attempting to take American guns and ammunition. It is a form of control that only impacts the "good guys"; not anyone who would be breaking the law anyway.)

2). The establishment media would jump on "maga extremists reacting in rage to death of Charlie Kirk", instead of just simply reporting on facts of the case.

Both of these predictions happened in record time. It is despicable how lost my nation is.

This is not an issue of gun violence. This is an issue of Christian persecution. Hating Christians is a perfectly acceptable form of bigotry where I live. Children in Christian schools are being targeted and killed. Expect to see many more high profile American Christians murdered.

Let's call this for what it is. This was not a random act of political violence or a result of loose gun laws. This was a blood killing. In the eyes of the church, he is a martyr. There will be more to come.

I conflate gun rights with gun violence because I'm not stupid.

Livelovebehappy · 11/09/2025 09:33

Elliania · 11/09/2025 00:47

Because both men were murdered and when Charlie Kirk called George Floyd a scumbag that's OK but anyone calling Charlie Kirk names for his views (which a lot of people condemned) is out of line. It's just a double standard.

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Difference being one was taking part in crime and arrested whilst the other was just doing a talk, all legal, to a bunch of people who were happy to be there. Don't you get the difference?

Rosscameasdoody · 11/09/2025 09:33

WellThisIsFranklyDreadful · 11/09/2025 09:20

And how did he do that? With his words.

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If you truly believe that l feel very sorry for you.

Crikeyalmighty · 11/09/2025 09:33

any death in this situation is dreadful and should be punished accordingly and no I’m not ok with the ‘well that’s one less of them views of ‘some’ , but I don’t get the ‘nice guy, only wants to protect women and children ‘ stuff - Take a look at the hate filled stuff he espouses , ‘all gays should be stoned, women should be under the control of their husband, birth control banned, a whole litany of retrograde Andrew Tate type stuff - I get ‘free speech and all that’ and certainly no one should die for that, but it certainly doesn’t make him a ‘nice guy, protecting women and children ’ with those kind of views and I’m most certainly not ‘looney left’ - if you agree with his views then fine, but don’t try and tell everyone else we are all ‘looney left’ for not agreeing with those views.

TheCatsTongue · 11/09/2025 09:33

WellThisIsFranklyDreadful · 11/09/2025 09:20

And how did he do that? With his words.

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OK I get, you don't like the guy, you don't like people who express opinions different to your own and so murder is justifiable.

"Hitler did everything with words", Hitler was the political leader of a nation and had control over all of it's policies and armies.

But you sum up perfectly the "Everything I don't like is Hitler" meme.

I wonder if you will display the same sentiment when someone on the left is murdered?

VIOLETPUGH · 11/09/2025 09:34

This is such such sad news, apart from some of the things he said about abortion he was so right in his views. RIP Charlie xx

MyHeartyCoralSnail · 11/09/2025 09:34

Dontcallmescarface · 11/09/2025 08:47

He does that to try and keep his child safe (despite knowing the risks involved), as the child would be in danger because of the fathers religious beliefs..with Kirk it was the other way around, he wanted his child to suffer because of her father's beliefs. Anybody who thinks that forcing a child to give birth is the right thing to do, needs professional help and/or jailtime because that's disgusting on every level.

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This shows a complete lack of understanding of religious beliefs. If you think abortion is a sad in which could get you sent to hell for eternity then yes he would have thought stopping his daughter having an abortion would be keeping her safe from eternal damnation. It’s not a view I subscribe to but was his view. Why can’t the migrant just change religions. Surely that would be the best way to keep his child safe.

Merrymouse · 11/09/2025 09:35

hamstersarse · 11/09/2025 09:26

And that’s why gun rights are needed? To overthrow Trump

How would we overthrow an evil leader in the uk? None of us are armed, they have the army and every weapon there is 🤷‍♀️

Thats why CK argued for the right to bear arms, and why people are missing his point entirely

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Has any country overthrown an evil leader because citizens were armed?

ColourThief · 11/09/2025 09:35

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Yes, because the right are so levelheaded 🙄🥱

Rewis · 11/09/2025 09:35

BananaPeels · 11/09/2025 08:54

But that’s the thing. I love that people like him exist. He’s the check and balance. He’s the person advocating the other side. He’s the person giving an alternative viewpoint. We need those more than ever.

doesn’t mean you have to change your mind. Doesn’t mean he’s right. But a fully functioning democratic society needs differing viewpoints. It needs robust debate. Wishing people you don’t agree with to not exist just creates a massive vacuum where only the ‘correct’ view is acceptable and we all must believe the same things.

I honestly would loved to have debated with him.

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That's fair enough. I just personally don't need his viewpoints and his made up "facts". I don't mind debating wether NATO expansions is a good idea and learning avout bith sides. But if your reasoning being against it is Finland being very Russian and further proof was them being neutral in WWII. I don't mind hearing if covid vaccine was a good idea or not, but claiming Jamie Foxx was left blind because of it as proof why your opinion is right.

I can't even touch the other random crap like how birth control makes women angry and bitter or how Taylor Swift should submit to her man and become conservative. I just struggle to see these as alternative points of view that could teach me something.

Moonmelodies · 11/09/2025 09:36

WellThisIsFranklyDreadful · 11/09/2025 09:32

Please find me one example where Hitler personally pulled the trigger, pressed the gas chamber button or stabbed someone. I’ll wait.

That’s literally MY WHOLE POINT. That words are NOT just saying things. Words have power and influence and can do terrible things. Hitler brought about the death of millions just with his words and influence.

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Well he was fighting in the trenches at Ypres in WW1 so if he didn't kill anyone he probably tried damn hard to.