Charlie Kirk dead

[Booneymil]

The last thread was taken down because of personal insults towards the man.

We should be able to have a thread about this news topic.

Report any insulting posts. Mumsnet can you please just delete the offending posts, instead of deleting the whole thread?

Thank you.

Charlie Kirk has died today. He was shot at a public talk that he was giving.

I agree there's no justification for his murder. But I'd argue that arguments which 'flowed logically' from a religious belief system are arguments built on sand and therefore not logical.

Yeah okay! I'm not going to feel sorry for someone who went on record to say if his daughter got pregnant he would force her to carry it even if she didn't want it.

He was an awful man and his death doesn't turn him into a saint.

"females"? Your mask is slipping.

Our entire culture is based on Christianity. All of it.

But that’s exactly the opposite of what Charlie and his ilk have argued for. They’ve argued for MORE guns. Charlie has said that events such as this shooting are what must happen to have access to guns, and that it’s part of the second amendment. He was fine with these sorts of deaths.

I dont agree with hos views, but I think someone who is against abortion except for rape etc is more true to "protecting the foetus" than someone who says abortion is ok for rapes as those people are not for the foetus, they are for punishing women for have consensual sex.

I heard on the radio that its an open carry campus, and the person on the radio said "it would have been worse if they were not allowed to carry guns" not sure i could see the logic there.

According to those users, Kirk, a staunch supporter of U.S. President Donald Trump, once said, "I think it's worth it. I think it's worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights."

https://x.com/Ronxyz00/status/1965872119604289791?

You can’t see the difference between the two? Okay, I’ll try again.

I’m talking about what might have motivated the shooter. This is entirely separate to what I feel about Kirk’s death itself. That is abhorrent and no-one deserves that. But why was he shot in the first place? As a said earlier in the thread, he wasn’t exactly a fluffy teddy bear. He just wasn’t everyone’s cup of tea, and that was his job. He was a Trump shill.

None of that is the same is saying he deserved it, because he did not.

You sound very naive, you want to mourn people who have been shot & killed? here, 21 kids died in the Uvalde shooting in 2022, these are the people, Charlie Kirk said were 'acceptable loses so people can keep their guns', yes, that was his opinion, maybe Charlie's death was (in HIS opinion) just another 'acceptable loss" so that people could keep their guns?

The guy was murdered less than 24 hours ago. His two young children have just lost their dad. These comments are unnecessary and insensitive so soon after someone’s death. Here’s a thing - not everyone shares the same political opinions as you.

oooo is it?
It’s a particular affliction for females in particular.
is that classed as a dangerous view?
just so I’m aware whether I could get murdered for it

I see your point. Gun control was the incorrect term. Gun eradication it is.

The issue is, he wasn’t even against it in cases of rape. He has gone on the record to say that if his ten year old daughter was raped and became pregnant, he would not allow her to have an abortion.

Far left extremist James o Brien will hardly be able to contain his glee on LBC later.

And would that be right or wrong?

Well exactly- this seems a professional hit, that shot was a single kill shot, apparently by someone on a building. It is unlikely to have been a crazed individual who got his gun at the local gun shop or nicked his Dads gun. I suspect the gun man won’t be found I suspect it was a politically sponsored hit

These people are share Trumps views are not “lovely” people deep down.

Why would someone be ‘motivated’ to kill someone because of their words?
Why is that a norm in your world?

You don't think laughing emojis fuel hate? If someone is mocking a death and laughing, that will incite hate.

So some lives don’t matter? What a despicable thing to say.

It's clear from your anti-abortion views that you dehumanise women and devalue their lives already, but yes the word 'females' underlines it further for anyone who missed the presence of a raging misogynist on the thread.

He was a strong Christian- abortion is against his faith. Are you generally against freedom of religion or just Christianity

Sorry, but JOB is a nice person. He tells everyone that all the time, so it must be true

Even if it was based on that, we re-examine ideas in the light of new knowledge and make changes. We can look back and see mistakes in previous ideas.

All lives matter, but Charlie Kirk is no martyr, he’s a casualty of the violence he incited.

There are two groups of people who commonly use the term "female" but rarely use "male".

a) biologists who specialise in certain aspects of reproductive systems,

b) MRAs/incels/MGTOW/toxic-man-o-sphere etc followers

Your naked desperation to portray yourself as a victim simply reinforces this. You're a (b), buddy.