Charlie Kirk dead

[Booneymil]

The last thread was taken down because of personal insults towards the man.

We should be able to have a thread about this news topic.

Report any insulting posts. Mumsnet can you please just delete the offending posts, instead of deleting the whole thread?

Thank you.

Charlie Kirk has died today. He was shot at a public talk that he was giving.

On this thread? That's a lie.

Women should be allowed to make their own reproductive choices. I would assume that women who are anti-abortion would not have an abortion themselves under any circumstances and that is their choice which I respect. I don't respect women who try and deny reproductive freedom, including the right to an abortion, for other women.

But 'pro life' is a weaselly phrase. It suggests that it promotes life (which is obviously a good thing) but brushes under the carpet any downsides, such as dangers to the mother's health and her life. Being against 'pro life' is not the same as being anti life.

This!! Seriously wondered if I’ve entered a parallel universe. The “loonie left” are the violent ones ….. absolute bullshit. Almost all of the political violence perpetrated in the last decade in America has been against left wing politicians. (gabby Gifford is missing from the list above) This (& the trump “attempt”) are very rare example of it being against right wingers.

Someone saying they are pro-life is being disingenuous. Being anti-abortion is not supporting life - it is supporting the deaths of the women and girls who will inevitably die as a result of abortion bans. The phrase 'pro life' is a lie - if you seek to deny women lifesaving health care, which is what total abortion bans do - you are pro the deaths of women and girls.

They’ve watched a clip, probably posted by some left wing fanatic commentary

Charlie Kirk was a good man, objectively,

We need to stop this trend that if someone doesn’t agree with your beliefs they are a ‘fascist’ which is where we are heading.

I didn’t agree with everything Charlie believed but he was a reasonable man who wanted to have conversations and debates. It’s a sad time.

The first thing my very ‘woke’ lefty dd said to me this morning was that she is very perturbed that people were not being respectful and she was concerned for his kids. Unfortunately the disrespectful voices will turn him into a martyr and make the divisions worse.

I always think of the woman who left the Westboro Baptist family cult after realising the abhorrence of their views through discussion with people on twitter. She used to stand outside funerals harassing bereaved families with disgusting placards. She has completely changed now and so it’s apparent that even people with extreme and absurd views can be persuaded with discussion to change their minds.

Then go and find another thread that doesn't bore you.

Its not. People like him have enabled, fought for and advocated for a situation where even someone like him would be killed by gunfire. There’s only one way to have prevented his death: gun control.

Yes and the people dividing this into a fair left v far right issue are only depending the divide and furthering the issue. We see violence across the political spectrum. The FBI have no clue who did this. Yet everyone has decided it was a left wing person, why? The assassination attempt on Trump was carried out by a right winger.

No on the other thread. Posts were deleted quickly but one said ‘I hope he felt pain’

This shows a lack of understanding on so many levels.

Not that many conservatives arguing that mentally ill teens should have access to guns, and we want to add transgenderism to that list blocking gun licensing too.

(I grant there will be someone out there pushing for zero restrictions, just like some pro-choice activists push full term abortion. You get the loons on every issue like this).

I have no idea what you’re talking about. I was simply expressing an opinion. No implications, no innuendos, nothing to see here other than what was written. What you take from it is on you, not me.

There is an assumption it’s “because of his beliefs”. That may be incorrect. Trump is feeding the narrative this is someone far left when the reality is, no one knows just yet. The Trump rally shooter was a Republican after all!

It was clearly a professional and had been meticulously planned. Someone wanted it to be public knowing it would likely result in him becoming a “martyr” if blamed on ideology.

Right, so views you don’t personally agree with, expressed rationally and politely in debate with willing volunteers, are “dangerous”, are they, and deserve to get their owner murdered?

Which is more dangerous - free debate, or a state of censorship where only people who agree with @comfortfoodcafe are allowed to go out in public?

(And by the way, when you start ad hitlerum it only makes your argument look even weaker.)

You are very naive

There’s a term for it in Jungian psychology - the innocence complex. Most left wing females suffer from it.

"Post after post"? Quote them all then - I'll wait.

Pretty sure he wasnt that bad

Yeah he totally deserved that, right?

@BlueEyedBogWitch just did the latest one

the reality is gun control would not have been able to prevent his death as guns are far to pervasive in American society that gun control would not have stopped the shooter getting their hands on a gun.

i am American and I beleive in gun control but the reality is the only way to stop shootings would be gun eradication… which unfortunately I don’t see happening

So freedom of speech, of willingness to engage in public debate is a “shitty game” well we know where you stand.