Charlie Kirk dead

[Booneymil]

The last thread was taken down because of personal insults towards the man.

We should be able to have a thread about this news topic.

Report any insulting posts. Mumsnet can you please just delete the offending posts, instead of deleting the whole thread?

Thank you.

Charlie Kirk has died today. He was shot at a public talk that he was giving.

It is sad. I didn't agree with some of his views buy I do believe in free speech. Awful that this has been eroded a bit again.

I wondered where that 'well-known tactic of the far-left' came from!

It’s only hate and division if you don’t agree with him.

And having opinions does not justify murder. Surely you can see that?

You... do actually know who Charlie Kirk was, don't you? I mean, from all that deep research you've done...?

STOP misrepresenting the views on this thread. I've read the entire thread and there are just three people who I would class as being "disinterested" in his death and only one who posted "One less Trump supporter?" The overwhelming majority of people on here who found Kirk's views abhorrent (as I did) also deplore his murder. It's perfectly possible to find someone's views repugnant, but not wish them dead. All murder is inexcusable, including that which is motivated by silencing opposing views (political or otherwise).

He’s very pro family and has made comments about trying to keep men in families and how they need to step up and support their wife and children. He talks a lot about how hard it is for children to grow up without fathers, so quite sad it’s happening to his kids.

Not a fan of democracy then?

You sound unhinged and dangerous.

He wasn’t ‘just’ anything, he was a hugely influential Trump
supporter and right wing influencer, but NO-ONE should be murdered for their political views. I fear for the USA, civil war really isn’t out of the question.

I haven't noticed much "far left" in the last 50 years. The far right is what has been regressive for the western world in that time frame.

I am right-wing, so yeah, while I find his Christianity a bit cringe, but it’s not that radical in an American context (I am American, for context)

Then why comment? Just to be inflammatory?

So if women made decisions you didn’t like and didn’t agree with, would that be ok?

Oh well, he pissed off so many people with his force pro-life/no abortion ever rules. He was not a good guy.

Post after post is ‘what did he expect given his ‘abhorrent’ views’?

There is just a hint of the evil beneath in those posts.

Many women don’t.

The polarisation of politics is terrifying and sickening. If you are a Christian you must be right wing, if you believe TWANW you must be right wing, if you are pro-abortion you must be left wing. Where is the middle ground?

I liked watching Charlie Kirk because he made me think - why do I believe what I believe, what levers have brought me to this place?

We should allow our views to be challenged and debated, open to changing our mind if they don’t stand up to our own scrutiny.

Charlie Kirk was murdered by someone who did not like debate or challenge, probably frightened that their views did not stand up to internal and external challenge, though I am sure they will now be convinced they are a ‘good guy’ and there are plenty of internet posts telling them that is their truth.

I find the number of celebratory posts quite sickening.

👆 do you not understand now how someone like me, a two-time Trump voter, would take this?

I'm just wondering here. Do pro-gun people see the unfortunate deaths like we see traffic deaths for example? It's made me realise how we're quite blase about deaths caused by cars, presumably because we all want to continue to drive.

In your opinion….

Lots of people think we are too casual about abortion, that we have little regard for human life.

Are you saying he’d have been better off advocating for more death?

The video is horrendous. I seen it by accident. I usually stop at Charlie's videos as I quite enjoy them.

The movies don't capture the real horror of a gun shot wound at all do they, because that's the most horrendous thing I have ever seen.

I hope this makes Americans think more about the issue, I hope it evokes change. But I doubt it will.

America is really up there with the absolute worst countries in the world.

More generalisation. 'The left' is not one amorphous blob of people which has been brainwashed. In the same way, 'the right' don't all think they are more intelligent and are the only ones who can think clearly. Some people on both sides are far more reasonable and open to discussion.

Feel sad for his wife and kids who I think were at the event.
ive watched some Charlie Kirk videos, there’s many things i disagree with him on, but he had a platform where the whole thing was anyone could talk to him, debate him, which is what you should do in society if you don’t like what someone says, not shoot them.
a very sad and awful situation.

He’s famously said about gun violence ‘ Unfortunately, it’s worth it to keep the 2nd Amendment intact’ - perhaps that will be of some comfort to his fans, knowing that he framed gun deaths - now including his own- as an acceptable cost of ‘liberty’.
he’ll be canonise by the right, so his influence won’t go away.
As for that ‘empathy quote’ it actually ends with ‘…new age term that does a lot of damage. I prefer sympathy over empathy’.

Maybe. Boredom being another possibility.

"America is really up there with the absolute worst countries in the world."

And nestled at the end of your comment is this line that really hits the nail on the head.

The US' global dominance is crumbling and their society is following suit. We are, in real-time, watching the what happens when a collapsing empire turns in on itself.