Charlie Kirk dead

[Booneymil]

The last thread was taken down because of personal insults towards the man.

We should be able to have a thread about this news topic.

Report any insulting posts. Mumsnet can you please just delete the offending posts, instead of deleting the whole thread?

Thank you.

Charlie Kirk has died today. He was shot at a public talk that he was giving.

Indeed. He was a rabble-rousing right-winger who advocated for more guns, less gun control, and was running the US equivalent of the Hitler Youth.

And now the reverse has been demonstrated.

Kirk said "I can't stand the word empathy, actually. I think empathy is a made up new age term that does a lot of damage."

Enough said.

Do you really thing that everyone on the left is non-violent?

Numerous people have posted comments that gleefully respond to the murder of this man one that sticks on my mind is someone saying “jolly good”

In your drooling, swivel-eyed world you really do see the "radical left" everywhere, don't you?

I'm not convinced @FirstCuppa does, in fact, think at all...

She failed to report him. She pushed for a plea deal. She defended him to the media. She’s a vile POS.

Yes many people who are law abiding citizens feel safer because they have guns in the home and keep them securely locked up.

He seemed very much a ‘family man’ who loved his wife and children.

This manipulative statement of self pity and projection is one of the worst things I have read on this thread.

There is polarisation and then there is active rhetotic used to incite. (You are in the inciting bracket, if that helps.)

That, in the current context, can be more than enough to become the target of someone who disagrees with you.

They probably do, because the left have been brain washed to think they are absolutely morally right. That philosophy has directly led to the assassination of a young father. And, like it or not, has led to the rise of popularity of the far right.

Yes exactly this. Such a horrific event should prompt people to wonder how it came to this. I do not trust any form of extreme or absolutist views, whether left, right or faith based. The US government would appear to be going further and further to the extremes, emphasising divisions and creating a febrile and violent situation. It is a worry for the US and for the rest of us.

I have literally no clue about AI

You are being disingenuous here. He didn't just debate women who disagreed with him on the abortion issue. He was actively working to influence policy that impacts women negatively. So yes that would be forcing his views on women.

He made it his life's mission to advocate for some extremely dangerous ideology which directly harms and kills people every day in the USA. He was categorically not a "good man" and his extremism contributed to the political tension that is bubbling away in the US.

On a personal, human level, he was a husband and a father and his family is irreparably damaged now. I'm extremely sorry for their pain. I'm sorry for Charlie that his life was cut short so brutally.

Violence like this has no place in a civilised society.

I agree he has spewed a lot of shit and he is very anti abortion, although he does make some good points. Him being shot does nothing but leave his wife and family alone, makes him a martyr for the cause and more anti left sentiment.

It’s always been violent. It’s 160 years since Lincoln was assassinated, 62 since Kennedy was. It’s a society in which violence is celebrated.

Running the equivalent of the Hitler Youth? For holding conservative views? He is not radical at all.

This argument was already debunked by @Sugarnspicenallthingsnaice

'The motor industry is continuously learning from what has gone wrong and innovating to improve safety. Regulations are frequently reviewed and updated. Look how much safer car travel has become in the last 50 years.
Gun laws are still back in 1791.'

The benefits of car travel are obvious, the benefits of gun ownership much less so. The NRA is against universal background checks when buying guns. It reminds me of the episode of the Simpsons where Homer is trying to buy a gun and is told that he will have to wait a few days. His response was 'but I'm mad now'.

That’s a man after attention and quick sound bites, not reasonable discussion.

Yep, I'm not even sure he was a true believer in some of what he said, which almost makes it worse. He was apparently known to be neutral/ secular on gay issues until he saw the opportunities and started quoting Leviticus. A bit like Trump who is widely reported to have been pro-choice until he saw the political benefits of becoming anti abortion.

You must have missed the many deleted posts celebrating the assassination of a man for his beliefs in front of his young children )giving you the benefit the doubt )

Regardless of whether your opinions and political views align with Charlie Kirk ( I don’t know enough about him) it’s just so so sad. Those two little children will have this affecting whole lives. His wife has lost her husband at a time when their family is so young, it’s just terrible.