Page 21 | Charlie Kirk dead

Booneymil · 2025-09-10T22:20:26+00:00

The last thread was taken down because of personal insults towards the man. We should be able to have a thread about this news topic. Report any insulting posts. Mumsnet can you please just delete the offending posts, instead of deleting the whole thread? Thank you. Charlie Kirk has died today. He was shot at a public talk that he was giving.

BIossomtoes · 11/09/2025 06:48

RingoJuice · 11/09/2025 06:42

He’s obviously loved and cared for his daughter.

He would make a different choice than you or I.

As a Christian, he sees the child as part of his daughter and worthy of saving and raising to be a credit to humanity.

As a non-Christian, I could never raise what I’d see as the enemy.

This is the kind of hateful rhetoric towards Kirk I’m talking about tho, just so undeserving.

He was likely asked about what he would do if his daughter was raped and pregnant at 10. He gave an honest answer.

It was based on a real case in Ohio, where an illegal immigrant raped a 10-year-old (the daughter of his live-in girlfriend) and her shitty mother tried to quietly get her an abortion to protect her POS pedo boyfriend.

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an illegal immigrant raped a 10-year-old (the daughter of his live-in girlfriend) and her shitty mother tried to quietly get her an abortion to protect her POS pedo boyfriend.

I’ve put it right for you an illegal immigrant raped a 10-year-old (the daughter of his live-in girlfriend) and her mother tried to quietly get her an abortion to minimise the damage to her very young daughter.

Serpentstooth · 11/09/2025 06:49

MyHeartyCoralSnail · 11/09/2025 06:46

Do you travel by car? Do you think the freedom to do so should be curtailed because many people die in car related deaths each year? If you die in a car crash should we just shrug and say your acceptance of the pay off between the benefit of having a car against car related deaths means your death should just me accepted?

This is so much bigger than an individual The assassination is an attempt to silence freedom of speech through fear and is an attack on democracy itself.

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That's such a ridiculous analogy that it scarcely merits comment other than to say think harder.

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CanterburyRoadBlock · 11/09/2025 06:50

But he didnt just "have opinions", you and me sitting in the living room discussing politics can have opinions, but this man was one of the largest funders of the Trump administration/Conservatives. He had influence that none of us will ever have. Its one thing to have an opinion, but to have so much drive,money and influence behind that is different entirely.

Sevenamcoffee · 11/09/2025 06:50

YourGladSquid · 11/09/2025 06:45

Outside of the US he was irrelevant though, it’s not wilful ignorance. No one knows every single personality of every single country.

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I had only vaguely heard his name until yesterday and didn’t really know who he was although I do follow US politics. But interestingly my dd (17) knew exactly who he was so I guess there must have been a strong sm presence and awareness amongst young people.

OldOrMaybeNotThatOld · 11/09/2025 06:50

evelynevelyn · 11/09/2025 06:47

I don’t know about black pilots. But anyone who worried that black air traffic controllers in the US are less capable than white ones would be on absolutely rock-solid grounds to worry. And both are FAA regulated.

This relates to a specific scandal at the FAA whereby they introduced a new ‘biographical questionnaire’ for ATC hiring specifically because black candidates were not passing the previous admissions tests at rates deemed high enough. That’s not the scandalous bit. They awarded high marks for specific answers (like saying maths and science were not your strong subject at school) that make no sense if you want to hire on competency but do want to hire a specific demographic, or who have been given the answer key, then gave the answer key to their black officers association to share only with black candidates..

https://www.tracingwoodgrains.com/p/the-full-story-of-the-faas-hiring

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If there was one occupation where I would want merit to trump race its that of the person in charge of the lives of hundreds of people hundreds of feet up in the air.

I wish people would wake up.

IGaveSoManySigns · 11/09/2025 06:50

Sevenamcoffee · 11/09/2025 06:50

I had only vaguely heard his name until yesterday and didn’t really know who he was although I do follow US politics. But interestingly my dd (17) knew exactly who he was so I guess there must have been a strong sm presence and awareness amongst young people.

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He was quite well known for being demolished by college students when “debating” them.

Underthinker · 11/09/2025 06:51

YourGladSquid · 11/09/2025 06:43

Sure he did.

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It's what he did. If he wasn't there, these angry societal rifts on gun control, abortion, trans rights etc would still exist, but Kirk at least demonstrated that you can have a civil debate with people with polar opposite views.

GarlicPint · 11/09/2025 06:51

MyHeartyCoralSnail · 11/09/2025 06:11

What this thread has proved, and no doubt similar commentary from round the worl will continue to prove is the absolutely abhorrent nature of the far left, on let’s get things clear who the far left are because that has become very blurred recently. It is people who hold up signs and write books and give speeches advocating for the removal of women’s rights and female centric language, by supporting men’s rights to take over those things (the far left is highly misogynistic), it is people going on marches waving the Palestinian flag, the flag of terrorist led territory whose stated aim is to ethnically cleanse Jews (the far left is highly anti semetic).

The far left champions the censorship of comments which go against its ideology, removal of people from the workforce, from having a voice of social media through slurs, through docing.

it values sheep reading off the barn wall. It doesn’t bake the individual/ it undulates put institutions, our educational system, our workplaces our media. People following the far left ideology think they’re morally right yet act in morally abhorrent ways shutting down the most freedoms including freedom of speech. In terms of absolute evil the lefft takes the trophy every time

Everybody who keeps up with the world knows the far left and the far right are equally despicable and dangerous. It gets worse - they meet at the extremes, becoming almost indistinguishable. And they are both to be feared.

The proper place for constructive, problem-solving debate is in the middle. The further we drift from the centre ground, the more discussion is silenced by force.

Damnloginpopup · 11/09/2025 06:51

PurpleChrayn · 11/09/2025 06:42

I suppose there must be a certain comfort to be found in such wilful ignorance.

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Not really. It's an irrelevance.

MyHeartyCoralSnail · 11/09/2025 06:52

Barnbrack · 11/09/2025 06:48

Google Charli Kirk hate speech. Om.mot your employee

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Actually. Don’t do that. Asking people to “google it” is a well known tactic of the far left to affect algorithms and complex language model AI, increasing the number of google searches on specific terms will create a false narrative.

travellinglighter · 11/09/2025 06:52

Booneymil · 10/09/2025 23:44

In YOUR opinion

In MY opinion, every death is a tragedy

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Hitler”s death? Stalin”s death? Pol Pot?

Charlie Kirk held deeply unpleasant views on a range of issues and was a cheerleader for a gun lobby that oversees multiple child deaths every year. A tragedy for his family, undoubtedly. An awful thing at a personal level but it’s hard to find any sympathy for a gun lobbyist.

Saying that, his death will have awful repercussions in America. I suspect that the right will take to the streets holding up pictures of their martyred hero and that’s going to polarise an already volatile situation.

I despise trump but I’d much rather see him in prison than dead. An assassination would be tragedy for America as it would kick off a violent reaction that would make January 6th look like a tea party.

NormasArse · 11/09/2025 06:52

LondonLady1980 · 10/09/2025 23:32

I felt genuinely sad when saw this on the news earlier. I have watched countless YouTube clips of him and although I can see why he’d rub some people up the wrong way, underneath it all he just seemed your stereotypical “American Man” who loved God, his wife and his children and who wanted people (especially women) to be safe and respected.

I feel sad for his children and for the fact that just because someone disagreed with his view points they now have to grow up without their father.

The whole thing is tragic.

You can’t be a Trump supporter who wants women to be safe and respected. Those two values are incompatible.

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I simply don’t believe you.
You wouldn’t be here spouting that if it was true.

GlitchStitch · 11/09/2025 06:53

If I drive a car I'm choosing to accept that there is the risk of an accident, and that risk is worth that because of the benefits a car gives such as enabling me to get to work. People who don't want anything to do with guns are having that risk inflicted on them by others, and there is no benefit to guns so they are not comparable. Their literal purpose is to kill.

PrincessOfPreschool · 11/09/2025 06:53

Sevenamcoffee · 11/09/2025 06:50

I had only vaguely heard his name until yesterday and didn’t really know who he was although I do follow US politics. But interestingly my dd (17) knew exactly who he was so I guess there must have been a strong sm presence and awareness amongst young people.

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Exactly what I thought. Both my DC (Y12 twins had heard of him and his death by the time I caught on). I was too tired to ask how and why.

Kulwinder54 · 11/09/2025 06:53

Sorry, I'm not mourning for someone who thought Martin Luther King was a DEI grifter.

Feel sorry for his wife and young kids though.

localnotail · 11/09/2025 06:54

I cant comment on this particular incident much (other than saying its awful someone was killed like this) as I never heard of this guy before, and looking at the article about him it looks like I wouldn't be interested in his views.

However, it is scary that, gradually, political climate in the US becoming so violent: I think it started with Trump's supporters storming the Capitol, and now there are ICE disappearing people off the street KGB-style and this... US has always been a bit unhinged, all the guns and extreme ideologies, but it seems to be getting worse and I worry where all this will go.

PinkBobby · 11/09/2025 06:54

Very sad news and I’m someone who didn’t agree with most (maybe any) of what he said. No one should be shot in front of their children and partner. My thoughts go out to them.

MyHeartyCoralSnail · 11/09/2025 06:55

GarlicPint · 11/09/2025 06:51

Everybody who keeps up with the world knows the far left and the far right are equally despicable and dangerous. It gets worse - they meet at the extremes, becoming almost indistinguishable. And they are both to be feared.

The proper place for constructive, problem-solving debate is in the middle. The further we drift from the centre ground, the more discussion is silenced by force.

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Unfortunately though the r trend left has been given such a soap box in our institutions many don’t even recons ode far left ideology as such any more yet most recognise the true far right.

AngelicKaty · 11/09/2025 06:55

RingoJuice · 11/09/2025 06:28

Idk what you want people to say.

It’s like mentioning that car-based societies will have some deaths associated with it. Of course it will. It’s why we have both car and gun licenses.

But do you get to laugh at people who are car crash victims?

Is that really where we are at?

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Who is laughing at car crash victims or gun murder victims? Are you able to maintain any sense of proportion on this thread, or are you going to continue accusing people of posting things they haven't, or believing things they don't?

24karatPalamino · 11/09/2025 06:55

It’s utterly heartbreaking.
I feel for his family, those little girls.
The world is a horrible place sometimes.
God Bless you Charlie Kirk.

LillyPJ · 11/09/2025 06:55

RingoJuice · 11/09/2025 06:42

He’s obviously loved and cared for his daughter.

He would make a different choice than you or I.

As a Christian, he sees the child as part of his daughter and worthy of saving and raising to be a credit to humanity.

As a non-Christian, I could never raise what I’d see as the enemy.

This is the kind of hateful rhetoric towards Kirk I’m talking about tho, just so undeserving.

He was likely asked about what he would do if his daughter was raped and pregnant at 10. He gave an honest answer.

It was based on a real case in Ohio, where an illegal immigrant raped a 10-year-old (the daughter of his live-in girlfriend) and her shitty mother tried to quietly get her an abortion to protect her POS pedo boyfriend.

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I could never force my very young daughter to go through childbirth after being raped, and to then have the rest of her life irrevocably changed. That sounds hateful to me. And it makes no difference if it's a religious view or not.

TeenagersAngst · 11/09/2025 06:56

SouthLondonMum22 · 11/09/2025 00:03

He was actively trying to force anti abortion policies to further restrict abortion in America.

How isn't that forcing his opinion on women?

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Some women agree with him.

YourGladSquid · 11/09/2025 06:56

Underthinker · 11/09/2025 06:51

It's what he did. If he wasn't there, these angry societal rifts on gun control, abortion, trans rights etc would still exist, but Kirk at least demonstrated that you can have a civil debate with people with polar opposite views.

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Even in his latest post on ig you can see he didn’t have civilised debates, he gave incendiary and inflammatory remarks for no reason. The woman was discussing the event of an unwanted pregnancy and one of his sound bites was “how about you take responsibility for your orgasms”.

That’s a man after attention and quick sound bites, not reasonable discussion.