Charlie Kirk dead

[Booneymil]

The last thread was taken down because of personal insults towards the man.

We should be able to have a thread about this news topic.

Report any insulting posts. Mumsnet can you please just delete the offending posts, instead of deleting the whole thread?

Thank you.

Charlie Kirk has died today. He was shot at a public talk that he was giving.

No ofc it doesn't. I myself have repeatedly said that any murder for opinions is vile. Esp a murder of a father of young kids.

I'd never heard of him either, but it seems I haven't missed anything of value.

You're being unfair, Daygloboo said that all murder is wrong.

Have you forgotten that crazed leftists tried to kill my president? Twice?

Or that Bernie Sanders supporter who shot up an event full of Republican lawmakers, seriously wounding Steve Scalise?

The Brett Kavanaugh assassination attempt? Bet you didn’t even hear about that one.

Pro-abortion activists felt perfectly justified firebombing crisis pregnancy centers around the Roe repeal (I have my issues with them, but setting fire to them is NOT OKAY)

We have armed mobs shooting ICE facilities and doxxing ICE agents to the extent they are now masked.

Don’t be so innocent. Leftists have been getting more violent recently, probably because they are losing at the ballot box.

As for George Floyd's martyrdom, he should not be made out to be some saint. But he WAS a martyr in the sense of someone who was unjustly killed. It does NOT matter WHAT he had done before in life, what happened was murder and that is always wrong

I'm unsurprised. Pretty sure that both groups are equally violent. Abortion centres are bombed,,crisis pregnancy centres are bombed, Trump is targeted, Pelosi is targeted, and so it goes on.. Much evil on both sides.

Don’t look at the Left for the killer. I think the person is much further afield. A house divided will not stand, and the U.S. is divided and unstable this morning.

Do mumnetters like him because he is anti-Trans:? He also wanted women and black people out of the workforce and thought that pregnant 10yr olds should give birth. His hateful and divisive comments drove further division in an already very divided country. His death will only accelerate that. The country is a hell hole.

Does that make it any better? Millions of people can be wrong, no matter how sincere they are.

And the poster you quoted did not say that they thought Charlie Kirk should have been killed for his views.

Why do people say this? It's bollocks, every death is NOT a tragedy. To be clear, I'm not talking about Charlie Kirk here. He didn't deserve what happened to him.

The world is definitely better without some people in it though. I don't feel sad when pedophiles or mass murderers or terrorists die.

lol there’s no way he wanted black people out of the workforce. Do you really think that they prefer POC to sit around idle and contribute nothing to society? Really?

Honestly, Kirk is so milquetoast as a conservative thought leader, Ann Coulter is more radical than he was!

He makes a different trade-off than you (and I) do on societal rights and dangers on guns. That doesn’t mean he ‘lived by the gun’ or that he advocated shooting public speakers, or that his being shot makes the point that he was wrong.

Camille Paglia said “give us the freedom to risk rape”. That doesn’t mean she is a rapist, or she advocates rape, or that her being raped would be a useful lesson.

That’s true regardless of whether you agree/disagree with Paglia or with Kirk.

Show me some hate speech of his. I've only ever seen mostly rational discussion and opposing views on a number of topics.

I hate the term being bandied about. It becomes a justification for actual violence.

It doesnt matter whether someone is high profile or not. Death is unavoidable but still a tragedy for those around them.

What did you think of his comments about black pilots?

He probably wanted them dead or deported. He said that black women lacked processing power and also spoke out against black pilots and other professionals whom he incorrectly blamed for mishaps. x.com/TimOBrien/status/1679945694705070081

What this thread has proved, and no doubt similar commentary from round the worl will continue to prove is the absolutely abhorrent nature of the far left, on let’s get things clear who the far left are because that has become very blurred recently. It is people who hold up signs and write books and give speeches advocating for the removal of women’s rights and female centric language, by supporting men’s rights to take over those things (the far left is highly misogynistic), it is people going on marches waving the Palestinian flag, the flag of terrorist led territory whose stated aim is to ethnically cleanse Jews (the far left is highly anti semetic).

The far left champions the censorship of comments which go against its ideology, removal of people from the workforce, from having a voice of social media through slurs, through docing.

it values sheep reading off the barn wall. It doesn’t bake the individual/ it undulates put institutions, our educational system, our workplaces our media. People following the far left ideology think they’re morally right yet act in morally abhorrent ways shutting down the most freedoms including freedom of speech. In terms of absolute evil the lefft takes the trophy every time

Whatever his views on the TRAs, Kirk was by all accounts a traditional sexist who could hardly be described as "gender critical".

I regard myself as a feminist opponent of transgender ideology but unlike some, I don't for one moment regard the far right as an "ally" on this issue.

If you mean the FAA hiring scandal, well, black applicants were unfairly given an advantage for DEI reasons.

So he was talking about a news item that actually happened, and you repeat it as he doesn’t want blacks to have jobs or whatever, like some demented game of Telephone.

Very clear many of you are listening to out of context clips, or not listening to him at all, and yet have a very, very hard opinion on him.

Charlie Kirk said the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was a mistake.
He said Gay people are a disease
He said "Jewish money" ruined American culture

I hadn't said anything about him not wanting black people to have jobs. I'm talking about this quote: If I see a Black pilot, I'm gonna be like "boy, I hope he is qualified."

It was a shit show of a thread to be honest, unfortunately from having a look at the first few post it seems this thread is just going the same way

To quote his own latest post, play certain games, win certain prizes.

You build your “career” on extremes, promote hate and division, tragedies like these happen.

DEI doesn't mean unqualified people are given jobs over qualified people. It means that a range of measures are implemented to ensure that a wide pool of potential employees are being considered and that unconscious bias is reduced.

Any responses?