Page 17 | Charlie Kirk dead

Booneymil · 2025-09-10T22:20:26+00:00

The last thread was taken down because of personal insults towards the man. We should be able to have a thread about this news topic. Report any insulting posts. Mumsnet can you please just delete the offending posts, instead of deleting the whole thread? Thank you. Charlie Kirk has died today. He was shot at a public talk that he was giving.

VoulezVouz · 11/09/2025 05:25

RingoJuice · 11/09/2025 00:01

I’ve felt this for a long time, but now I know it deep down in my bones as a right-leaning person: the left hates us and wants us dead.
They don’t want to debate us, they aren’t interested in the marketplace of ideas.

They think it’s funny too.

No one here seems to find it funny? Perhaps your bones are a bit creaky today. PS. No one hates you or wants you dead. Hyperbole alert!

2021x · 11/09/2025 05:25

Just seen the House of Representatives struggle to show respect for CK because there was also a school shooting today.

Clip on BBC

TheJoyOfWriting · 11/09/2025 05:25

Muffinmam · 11/09/2025 02:43

I respect that he stood up for what he believed in - the importance of family values. He was measured and articulate and he will be missed.

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I've often seen 'family values' used by some (not all) US religious right-wing groups to mean opposition to lgb rights. Is this part of what you mean?

Would tally with Kirk's statements : He compared being actively gay to being an alcoholic or drug addict. Very 'measured'...

CurlewKate · 11/09/2025 05:26

justasking111 · 11/09/2025 05:22

You're describing a lot of sincerely religious people, millions in fact.

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Not the sincerely religious people I know. And I would object very strongly to this views whoever held and expressed them. Being religious doesn't give you a free pass.

TheJoyOfWriting · 11/09/2025 05:27

VoulezVouz · 11/09/2025 05:25

No one here seems to find it funny? Perhaps your bones are a bit creaky today. PS. No one hates you or wants you dead. Hyperbole alert!

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I certainly don't find the death of Kirk funny. His poor wife and children, who were in the building. They must be in hellish pain rn 😢

thepariscrimefiles · 11/09/2025 05:27

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The looney left? Political assassinations or attempted assassinations seem to be the modus operandi of the loony right:

The man who targeted and killed Democratic state Rep Melissa Hortman was a Trump supporter.

The man who targeted the home of Dem Governor Josh Shapiro was a Trump supporter.

The men who wanted to hang Mike Pence on Jan 6th were Trump supporters.

The man who targeted and killed the son of Obama-appointed District Judge Esther Salas was a Trump supporter.

The man who tried to kidnap Nancy Pelosi and assaulted her husband was a Trump supporter.

The men who were convicted trying to kidnap Dem Governor Gretchen Whitmer were Trump supporters.

The man who sent pipe bombs to the homes of Obama and Biden was a Trump supporter.

There is no equivalent or even similar list of Obama or Biden supporters who have carried out similar murders, attempted murders, or violent attacks.

Sugarnspicenallthingsnaice · 11/09/2025 05:28

xanthomelana · 11/09/2025 05:11

I’ve never seen so many attempts to justify murder as on this thread. Seems the left doesn’t like it when one of their own turns out to be an unhinged cold blooded killer.

The only justification for murder that you'll read on this thread is in the quotes of Kirk's own words.

CurlewKate · 11/09/2025 05:28

RingoJuice · 11/09/2025 05:24

Weird how everyone hates on Kirk because he thinks abortion is wrong.

They seem to hate him more than the illegal immigrant pedophile that raped the ten-year-old; they seem to hate him more than her shitty mom, who wanted to quietly get her child an abortion to protect her scumbag illegal boyfriend.

Kirk is the one you are angry with? People are unbelievable sometimes.

I say this as someone very pro-choice.

Big difference between me and someone like Charlie Kirk is he thinks all children are a blessing, he would have you believe that a ten-year-old rape victim can raise that child to be a functioning member of society, he was actually a very positive person in this way.

A right-winger like myself knows the chances of this are very small and that any potential child would have been very likely to have had a negative impact on society.

Its often said, but if you hate the Christian right, you’ll really, really not like the post-Christian right.

RIP he really seemed like a good, decent person who believed dialogue was possible.

What do you think about his unavoidable collateral damage belief?

labtest57 · 11/09/2025 05:31

Elliania · 11/09/2025 00:32

OK so it's fine for Charlie Kirk to call George Floyd, a murdered man, a scumbag because he had a history of hatred/violence in his past but it's not OK for other posters to call Charlie Kirk, a murdered man, names because he has hatred in his past?

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Yes absolutely fine! Charlie Kirk never held a gun to a pregnant woman. He debated people.

AngelicKaty · 11/09/2025 05:32

xanthomelana · 11/09/2025 05:11

I’ve never seen so many attempts to justify murder as on this thread. Seems the left doesn’t like it when one of their own turns out to be an unhinged cold blooded killer.

Really? Where? I've been on this thread since the beginning and read every post and there have been just three posters who I would say are clearly indifferent to Kirk's murder. Every other poster has been either (a) very supportive of Kirk and his views; (b) mildly supportive of Kirk because they don't share all of his views, or (c) not supportive of him at all because they find his views abhorrent, but still think his murder is utterly deplorable (I'd put myself in this latter category). So, please point me - specifically - to the "so many attempts to justify (his) murder" on this thread. And how do you know a left-voting person murdered him? So far the police have drawn a blank with identifying a credible suspect so we have no idea who murdered him, much less their motivation and what their political persuasion is.

VoulezVouz · 11/09/2025 05:32

justasking111 · 11/09/2025 05:22

You're describing a lot of sincerely religious people, millions in fact.

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Few of those millions of people have a platform of influence like Charlie Kirk’s, do they? Kirk’s brand of religion was the US type: highly conservative, Christian Evangelical. It is programmed to send women back to the 1950s, before they had careers and higher education and thoughts. I cannot say if CKs religion was feigned, but most of the stable of Trump pundits share and promote it, and that makes me suspicious.

justasking111 · 11/09/2025 05:33

Fifisneighbor · 11/09/2025 03:19

Unfortunately the Republicans regularly ignore and downplay children being killed in school shootings. They support the gun lobby at all costs. It is lunacy.

Of course nobody should be shot but they blatantly DO NOT CARE that defenseless children are shot frequently. Think about that.

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Shot often by other children. Think about that.

justasking111 · 11/09/2025 05:33

Fifisneighbor · 11/09/2025 03:19

Unfortunately the Republicans regularly ignore and downplay children being killed in school shootings. They support the gun lobby at all costs. It is lunacy.

Of course nobody should be shot but they blatantly DO NOT CARE that defenseless children are shot frequently. Think about that.

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Shot often by other children. Think about that.

BeanQuisine · 11/09/2025 05:33

Apparently Kirk was a strong supporter of "gun freedom", so presumably would have been proud to die in this manner.

TheJoyOfWriting · 11/09/2025 05:35

justasking111 · 11/09/2025 05:22

You're describing a lot of sincerely religious people, millions in fact.

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Which views? ALL of these?

So 'millions' of sincerely religious people believe that preteen rape victims should not be able to receive abortions...?

In the US, you mean? Or somewhere else? Opinion polls don't seem to show huge support, even in religious circles for that view.

And thank God for that...

So millions of religious think : 'ofc men don't find 30yo women attractive, they're already past their prime'

So millions of religious think that the Pill automatically makes you 'crazy and bitter'?

Career & children, to some extent many would agree but most religious people aren't so opposed to college for women.

LGB rights, agree.

Something being a sincere religious view held by millions doesn't mean that we can't criticjse it, nor does it mean that it can't be extreme.

'If 50 million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.' - Anatole France

TheJoyOfWriting · 11/09/2025 05:36

VoulezVouz · 11/09/2025 05:32

Few of those millions of people have a platform of influence like Charlie Kirk’s, do they? Kirk’s brand of religion was the US type: highly conservative, Christian Evangelical. It is programmed to send women back to the 1950s, before they had careers and higher education and thoughts. I cannot say if CKs religion was feigned, but most of the stable of Trump pundits share and promote it, and that makes me suspicious.

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I wonder how sincere he was about some, given his wife was 32 when he married her (maybe they met earlier tho?), she had been to a good college (albeit a religious one) & seems quite active career-wise.

thepariscrimefiles · 11/09/2025 05:41

RingoJuice · 11/09/2025 00:01

I’ve felt this for a long time, but now I know it deep down in my bones as a right-leaning person: the left hates us and wants us dead.
They don’t want to debate us, they aren’t interested in the marketplace of ideas.

They think it’s funny too.

Political violence is much more prevalent on the right in the US.

The man who targeted and killed Democratic state Rep Melissa Hortman was a Trump supporter. The man who targeted the home of Dem Governor Josh Shapiro was a Trump supporter. The men who wanted to hang Mike Pence on Jan 6th were Trump supporters. The man who targeted and killed the son of Obama-appointed District Judge Esther Salas was a Trump supporter. The man who tried to kidnap Nancy Pelosi and assaulted her husband was a Trump supporter. The men who were convicted trying to kidnap Dem Governor Gretchen Whitmer were Trump supporters. The man who sent pipe bombs to the homes of Obama and Biden was a Trump supporter. There is no equivalent or even similar list of Obama or Biden supporters who have carried out similar murders, attempted murders, or violent attacks.

I don't think that people think it's funny. Some people may think that it's ironic that an evangelical supporter of the right to bear arms, explicitly stating that the number of gun deaths is a price worth paying to have the second amendment, has lost his life as a result of gun violence.

Are you saying that because you lean to the right, left wingers want to kill you? Are these people that you know?

Sandyshandy · 11/09/2025 05:44

I have never heard of him and I read / listen to a lot of news, but I don’t do tik tok. Am I really the only one? How do you all know about him? I do find it fascinating that people in the uk know so much about a US personality (I don’t know how to describe him - politician? Celebrity? ).

An amazing distraction from the Epstein story for trump though.

thepariscrimefiles · 11/09/2025 05:46

xanthomelana · 11/09/2025 05:11

I’ve never seen so many attempts to justify murder as on this thread. Seems the left doesn’t like it when one of their own turns out to be an unhinged cold blooded killer.

How do you know that the killer is 'one of their own'? The suspect that they arrested has been released so they don't know who killed him.

TheJoyOfWriting · 11/09/2025 05:46

RingoJuice · 11/09/2025 05:24

Weird how everyone hates on Kirk because he thinks abortion is wrong.

They seem to hate him more than the illegal immigrant pedophile that raped the ten-year-old; they seem to hate him more than her shitty mom, who wanted to quietly get her child an abortion to protect her scumbag illegal boyfriend.

Kirk is the one you are angry with? People are unbelievable sometimes.

I say this as someone very pro-choice.

Big difference between me and someone like Charlie Kirk is he thinks all children are a blessing, he would have you believe that a ten-year-old rape victim can raise that child to be a functioning member of society, he was actually a very positive person in this way.

A right-winger like myself knows the chances of this are very small and that any potential child would have been very likely to have had a negative impact on society.

Its often said, but if you hate the Christian right, you’ll really, really not like the post-Christian right.

RIP he really seemed like a good, decent person who believed dialogue was possible.

Right, I'll unpick this bit by bit.

For one, I and I expect very many others on this thread were not aware of this context, that he was talking about a particular case. In fact, one poster was asking how an interviewer could come up with such a horrible twisted question.

It is very unfair to jump to the conclusion that we don't hate the rapist or the mother, or that we hate Kirk more, when no one on this thread has mentioned that context & I would suspect many were not aware of it. I certainly was not.

Underthinker · 11/09/2025 05:46

It's very sad.

Whatever you think of his views, Kirk made a career out of having open dialogue with people across the policitical spectrum.

We need to preserve the idea that debate not violence is the way forward for society, and this act makes that a little harder.

CurlewKate · 11/09/2025 05:48

Can one of the people who share Kirk’s beliefs say what they think about his statements that some gun deaths are inevitable and justifiable to protect 2nd Amendment rights?

TheJoyOfWriting · 11/09/2025 05:48

Sandyshandy · 11/09/2025 05:44

I have never heard of him and I read / listen to a lot of news, but I don’t do tik tok. Am I really the only one? How do you all know about him? I do find it fascinating that people in the uk know so much about a US personality (I don’t know how to describe him - politician? Celebrity? ).

An amazing distraction from the Epstein story for trump though.

If you read about Trumpian politics, Kirk & his org Turning Point come up a lot. He was really influential in mobilising the youth vote for Trump. He also did debates here (eg Oxford Union) and set up a UK branch of Turning Point.

labtest57 · 11/09/2025 05:48

Daygloboo · 11/09/2025 02:17

I do not think anybody getting shot is ever all right, and I DO find it disturbing that this has happened.

I am disturbed by other things also.

I find it disturbing that a president allegedly has had ( extremely possibly ) unsavoury dealings with females in the past .

I find it disturbing that another man could think that a raped female child who gets pregnant should carry the result of that rape in its body.

How can those things EVER be representations of good wholesome conservative family values. I mean how. No logic on earth is going to convince me that any of that behaviour or thinking is ok.

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I don't understand how anyone can support men in women's spaces, martyr a violent criminal who held a gun to a pregnant woman, or be ok with abortion up to birth, but I dont tjibk they should be killed for it.

tamade · 11/09/2025 05:49

TheJoyOfWriting · 11/09/2025 04:07

Would it have undermined his credibility though to say that preteen rape victims should be allowed abortions? Plenty of conservative Christians and Relublicans woul probs make an exception for rape, esp of a child.

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I suppose it would depend upon what he had previously said.
FWIW I do reject his position (as reported on these pages), it does make him sound awful, but it does not mean he can be shot.