Charlie Kirk dead

[Booneymil]

The last thread was taken down because of personal insults towards the man.

We should be able to have a thread about this news topic.

Report any insulting posts. Mumsnet can you please just delete the offending posts, instead of deleting the whole thread?

Thank you.

Charlie Kirk has died today. He was shot at a public talk that he was giving.

And you don't thinl that you have made idiotic statements?

Of course it is fine for people to vote for Trump. The same as it was fine for people tp vote for Kamala Harris. That is democracy. It is the Freedom to vote for who they want.

Why do you think you should be able to tell people who to vote for?

He was an active neo-nazi who also wanted to leave the EU.
I didn't conflate these two, that was his life!
FGS, talk about finding reasons to be offended. Not my fault if a murderer happens to have lots of nasty views in one basket case of his head.

Yes they can see what I have written

And they will see that you are completely wrong.

Deeply misguided people can be lovely. Wrong, but well-intentioned. Life is not black and white, I'm afraid.

Oh, and I'm not "clinging" to anything, ta. Or angry. Just commenting. You seem to be making an awful lot of assumptions. Talking of projection...

When was Charlie Kirk an active neo Nazi?

And? It read as the two being conflated. You didn't intend that, it seems. Fine.

Well it's a good job we have strict gun laws here. There's some posters I wouldn't trust with a spud gun reading this thread.

I agreed with some of his opinions. Disagreed with others. Just remember he had a wife, and a child. This, under any circumstances, is never acceptable. Society is diminished by his murder.

What an incredibly naive statement, Men who are anti-choice aren’t protecting their sperm, they are seeking to control women. A reasonable number of them will have supported, paid for or arranged a termination when it suited them.

It is of course also nonsense to say every death is a tragedy. It’s not tragic when a 105 yr old dies peacefully after a long and happy life. Hitler’s death wasn’t tragic either. For different reasons.

To give him his dues, he practised what he preached. He remained completely unaffected by victims of mass shootings. His dismissal of their suffering and refusal to learn stayed with him to the end.

He knew the cost of assault weapons in society. Now he's paid the price.

That's not what they are saying though, is it? He avidly supported guns, he didnt bat and eye to the amount of deaths caused by guns in America and said that they were an acceptable consequence of everyone having access to a gun. Now he's an acceptable consequence according to his own logic. It has nothing to do with people supporting other people being shot, it's the pure poetic justice of it all.

And, he was a horrible man on top of that so it's just hard to be sad about it.

And one of them is a massive advocate of Palestinians so the double standards continue. I will remember that when they are saying shame on you.

How on earth have you read that into the PP’s comment.

I think the point is largely that some people seem to be held to higher standards than others. And higher standards than Kirk himself was ever held to, probably by the same people. And failure to meet those standards will almost certainly be used to demonstrate how awful the ‘libs’ or the left are.

He wouldn’t “feel” anything. He’s dead.

It’s another sad day for America I guess.
Not because I think it’s bad that that’s one less hate filled religious maniac preaching to college kids, but because the scarily far right (because our far right pales into insignificance by comparison to America’s) have now gained a martyr.
I suppose if you’re going to preach about the rights to bare arms and gun deaths being inevitable then you can’t be upset to end up a statistic.
Sad for his family, sure. Catastrophic for the already horrendous divide in America.

I have been living under a rock, for a variety of reasons, so have no idea who he was. I have not seen his name before.
However, this is a murder and is therefore horrific. No one has the right to take the life of another. His wife and children, wider family and friends must be utterly devastated. I know the pain of losing someone suddenly, and it is unbearable.

Its not naive in any way. And again you are twisting my words. I didnt write "men who are anti choice" did I? I wrote the word "men"

Men that I know have told me that they have opinions on abortion, as it is their sperm that makes the baby.

I actually went to a philosophy group last week. The topic was abortion. A large number of men and women spoke about their experiences With abortiom

Some of the men in the group said that they felt an emotional attachment to the fetus , but that they still encouraged their partner to do what was best for her. If she wanted an abortion, they encouraged her.

So those men had an opinion on abortion, and were still pro abortion.

Of COURSE men are going to have an opinion on abortion

Chris Ryan has pointed out that most people who use guns to defend themselves are not convicted, esp women. You can use a gun if it's reasonable force.

If the intruder steals stuff, leaves & doesn't hurt you, you can't shoot. But if they tried to attack you and you had your gun ready, you could.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=www.safeandsecurerollershutters.co.uk/news/what-are-your-rights-if-you-confront-an-intruder-on-your-property/%23:~:text%3DYou%2520have%2520a%2520right%2520to,to%2520you%2520or%2520your%2520family.&ved=2ahUKEwidq9KbuM-PAxXZXEEAHSI6KYQQFnoECBsQBQ&usg=AOvVaw3pLaWdakuWrwxEV9uz37Pf

The kind and compassionate left.

Bloody hell, the virtue signalling on this thread.

Yes. The 'it's their sperm' applies more to personal situations tho, not to general situations where they have to judge what the law should be