Thread 32 Starmer - Corn Moon

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About time the BBC put Farage under scrutiny.
Also, an extremely hard no to Zak Polanski and before Sir Keir was at the helm I voted Green. No more.
A party whose members tipped out Adrian and Carla just like that is not for me.
Also, the hardest no ever to George Osborne for ambassador to the USA. It was bad enough having Lord Dave but not another architect of austerity in a position of influence. The grief those two caused to people in the UK.
In my opinion.

Good to see that our kids are still being protected 🙄

Well they've had 40 years ...

If you want some pretzel conspiracy logic, Agent Mandelson knew where the bodies were buried and can now be withdrawn, his mission complete.

At least he's saying the right things. Are we going to just assume he won't do them, but assume LD will?

I have NO time for LD. Our local LDs are a bunch of fibbers. You should see the manipulation of graphs and charts they put on their leaflets. Our LD MP is a waste of space. I used to think they might be ok but based on my experience of the local party I'm right off them. Shame because I like Ed Davey.

That's a bit rubbish. Disappointed he thinks that. I'm right with you.

There really is such a thing as letting perfection be the enemy of progress.

I’ve been looking it up. It’s not a clear intention to pull out but it makes me uneasy. Seems to be more a distrust of Trump, but it doesn’t make sense.

“Asked about the comments on Nato, Polanski said that while he maintained the alliance was untenable under a Trump-led US, he did not advocate immediate UK withdrawal, only if an alternative European defence alliance could be set up, a process he said could take years.”

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/sep/03/green-party-leader-zack-polanski-distances-corbyn-electoral-pact

There is, and reading his more recent comments it’s not as bad as I feared (see above) but it’s a fair,y serious policy disagreement I have with him there…

I love the idea of the Greens. DM did too.

But then I chose to do sciencey things and all of a sudden homespun yogurt and lentil surprise rather lost their appeal.

"Green Party leader Carla Denyer has spent one of the highest amounts for a single candidate in this campaign period - £39,299 - targeting voters in her desired constituency of Bristol Central."

Taken from https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/general-election-social-media-campaigns-cost-b2563996.html

Polanski is an elected member of the London Assembly. He previously stood for the Lib Dems in local elections for Camden Borough council and was unsuccessful.

I do think that is rather a sneering dismissal of the Greens , tbh jane - often found on the more RW type threads that view Green/left views as silly and not grounded in the reality of the pragmatic right wing- see also blue hair. Clearly, they do neither of those things and I am never sure quite what it is shorthand for.

There are scientists who vote Green. Actually quite a lot of them especially in climate science and environmental fields.

I haven't done the maths but I assume a reference to Gaza?

I think the greens have been very underestimated .

They set up as a party way enforce climate change became something we experienced rather than predicted .

I also think we are going to need to to step up much more in the coming years. I would love a Labour/ green coalition but it needs to be further to the left than Labour is currently heading.

I don’t want leave nato nor think we should but the idea of a closer ties with Europe and a European version interests me. I’d need more details to decide if I agree with them plan outright or not.

I promise I will look again ... but can remember Jonathon (now Lord) Porritt when the Ecology party were getting a buzz.

So who is funding Polanski?
There is always somebody.

ExxonMobil suppressed man made climate change and warming from as early as the late 70s, which of course was noted by Eunice Foot in 1856. Her work was ignored.

See this is partly where I slightly lose patience.

Fuck the "man made" bit. I mean what has that got to do with the price of fish ?

The climate changes. It's what it does. It's what it always does. It's what it will do.

Rather than getting involved in the most useless argument since transubstantiation, why not just accept it and fucking deal with it ? Because that is all we can do. Anyone who thinks there is the remotest chance of affecting it in electoral timescales is a bit thick. Or disingenuous. Or playing to an agenda.

We've known climate changes since before recorded history. It's a mystery why it's so important to some people why. I mean we still don't know why gravity works, but seem to have managed to work around it.

I can’t vote Lib Dem. My mother (whose views on immigrants are somewhat to the right of Reform) was a Lin Dem councillor for her home in the largest city close to me and rose through its ranks to become Lady Mayoress. Have they no vetting!!

I honestly don't know, every party seems awful but Davy seems more principled.

Its the rate of change, it may not be possible to "deal with it"

Perhaps we should all be looking beyond electoral cycles....

Google says 328 days ago was 17 Oct 2024. So you could be right.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Current_events/2024_October_17

I think we are agreeing from different ends ?

Pumping out carbon dioxide from fuels buried deep within the earth's crust at a rate knots is real. Deal with it.

Yes climate changes. But I'm presuming you know the difference between weather and climate. And also that human activity has an effect on water and air pollution.

Take as an example the great fogs/smogs of London. This resulted in the Clean Air Act 1956, 4 years after the great London smog.

Also the Great Stink in London after a heatwave which resulted in sewers Londoners still use today. Joseph Balzalgette was the engineer and a saviour of people because his design helped stop cholera outbreaks.

I taught his great granddaughter. That's how I learnt how to pronounce him and who he was. Very cool.