Labour isn't working - Thread 7

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A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government.

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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I’d stretch to expensive Chablis if she were to go back to her bitter burrow.

I have been banned from ranting about AR at home, so i switch to BP until she is banned as well. 🤣
Can't stand the woman. Supercilious, sneering and vindictive dressed up as 'caring'

Dolores Umbridge in human form. I can imagine her re-educating a class of kids she believes are not part of the 93 percent she cares about. Down to the cuddly fondness for wearing pink.

Haha I mostly have Labour on avoid and don’t listen but every so often their supercilious, sneering tone gets through. Matched with their incompetence.

100%

Notable that AR did not resign as an MP…what an utter skank she is.
I bet her constituents want her to!
And of course SKS will have urged her to stay as he knows full well that Reform would romp home in a election there…

See the boss of M&S Stuart Rose has said today that Starmer and Reve# have taken the Uk “to the edge of a crisis” and we should “all be worried”.

indeed we are.

Kemi is offering to work with Starmer on reducing welfare. I bet he keeps sneering and bullying instead of doing just that. He is the most craven and underperforming politician so it'll mean he can't do that.

He'd rather snarl than get us out of this.

TBF, there’s as much political calculation in Badenoch’s offer as there is serious intent. She knows that Starmer couldn’t agree.

But it’s a smart move even so: it does make clear that the Tories are being sensible about hard choices. That helps them against both Labour and Reform.

If there is an economic storm, Badenoch gets the bragging rights about proper governance.

It’s an interesting one - whether they work together or not, the tories do need to get more strategic about not opposing budget cutting measures without careful consideration and v glad to see a step towards that.

Jim Ratcliffe’s Ineos Energy ends UK investment

https://www.thetimes.com/article/e84a6d97-afb8-4f69-abc5-e8590e3d2ce1?shareToken=71c01708afa6ce5c939fe34841da26f8

Why not? Everyone goes on about 'cross party' stuff but in reality it's Labour sneering at any suggestion.

Pride before a fall and all that.

Labour, heck the Left in general, have put themselves into the position of anything suggested by the Tories = bad.

To give an example, DH works for Astra Zeneca. Under the last government a deal was negotiated for AZ to build a vaccine production facility in (I think) Liverpool. There was some back and forth, as with all these deals, and the government agreed to put up some money to make sure that the plant got built.

Straight after the GE Labour came along and said "No, no, no. Terrible idea, we can't give you that much money." thinking AZ would back down. Except they didn't. AZ pulled the plug on the whole project and shifted it to somewhere else in Europe offering them the same deal they had with the Tories.

The upshot - vital long term investment into the UK by one of the biggest global companies was lost and now the CEO is actively speaking out about the UK being a bad place for investment.

AstraZeneca scraps £450m vaccine plant in Liverpool after Labour funding cut | Politics News | Sky News

Ministers take note: now is the moment to fight to keep AstraZeneca’s listing in London | Nils Pratley | The Guardian

That's so bad @CaveMum what a disaster.

I think it's because the only crutch Labour have is to go on about 'inherited' and broken whatever. They can't get out of their backsides to see there's a better way.

Labour can make any excuse they like, but these losses are on them. Nothing to do with the inheritance.
The AZ Merseyside plant deal was a huge mistake made very early in Labour's tenure. Ineos is another huge loss.

Labour are proving they can carp and complain but they can’t take responsibility and they can’t fix things.

They can create elaborate justifications for people who want to vote to appropriate other people’s resources for themselves, but they do not know how to create a surplus for us all.

KB is right to offer cross party support. SKS should surprise her, maybe even wrong foot her by accepting it.

The ship has sailed on SKS being elected for a second term- maybe even for making it to the end of this parliament. He might as well go out in a blaze of glory doing something principled in the national interest.

And these losses in traditionally strong Labour areas - they really should’ve been all over it.

Also businesses that have had to close because of SKS's trade deals with Trump - heralded as a success, but the reciprocal agreement of the US importing certain things tariff-free cost my DH his job

@Arrearing50 and @Katypp Yes agree. You can see the incompetence from space. Starmer regularly boasts about creating jobs. What planet are these people on?

Another poor decision. Yet they claim to care about our environment.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2025/sep/09/bottom-trawling-to-continue-in-english-protected-waters-government-rules

The energy policy at the moment is being run by complete dimwits.

You need to sunset that industry in the best interests of both the country (energy security) and long term objectives such as combating global warming.

Instead they are just unilaterally pulling the plug, which may score a few cheap political points now, but in 20 years time will screw the country over completely.

Of course the people responsible for it will be out of power by then, and quite possibly dead. So it will be someone else that has to face up to the consequences of energy shortages.

North sea oil is not an industry that turns on a sixpence. You can't simply click your fingers and magic up more oil just because a global shortage has started.

Democracy in this country is failing on energy policy because it needs to be set on a time horizon longer than the next election.

If you get a chance, listen on BBC Sounds to Kemi being interviewed by Jeremy Vine. She was so articulate, dealt well with his questions about the problems from the 14 years of Conservative rule and sounded totally genuine about her offer to work with Starmer. She also had a few good points to make about the polls with Reform too.

She sounded like a prime minister!

Stuart rose

" There isn't a direction of travel ,there is no travel .we are not travelling anywhere..we're actually standing still in a lay by while we decide we decide what to do. That's the real problem."

We have no growth in the economy ,not creating wealth , we've got to change track
This government said it would bring growth as a no 1 priority

We should all be worried about the state of Britain .

@Wishihadanalgorithm when I hear her speak sometimes I'm impressed but she's not coming out strong for some reason .maybe it's media portrayal?

Thanks for the recommendation, will have a listen later.

We should.

My brother is a GP; his practice is in what is generally regarded as an affluent area, but what he finds alarming (but unsurprising) is the rising number of patients seeking help for mental health problems - almost all rooted in worry about finance, job security and the rise in violence in the UK.

That’s appalling. The rainforest analogy is a good one.