If you live in England and are not white are you considering leaving the country?

[GreyingSunshine]

I'm really starting to worry about our future here now that anti immigration / nationalistic feelings are running so high. Our town is full of flags, reform is on the rise (and is pushing everyone, including the other parties further and further to the right) and every day there is news of some sort of anti immigration / anti asylum seekers / stop the boats protest. Dh has said for the first time ever that he doesn't feel safe anymore when out and about. I worry about the kids' future. They were born here and consider themselves British but what if a large proportion of the population doesn't? I feel it's just going to get worse.

I don't really want to leave. I have lived here for more than 20 years. I feel at home here. My kids are at home here. We have a massive mortgage and I don't really fancy starting all over again now that I'm in my mid forties. Also, not sure where we could go as the whole world seems to be becoming more right wing and intolerant and more importantly we obviously both would need to find new jobs first.

Is anyone else worried? Is anyone else considering emigrating? At what point would you say that we (as in anyone visibly not ethnic English or Anglo saxons or whatever, ie not white) need to get out?

Lots of people tell me this, but the bottom line, non-white people stick out. Its the black and other non-white people that angry people can visibly see and wonder, are they meant to be here?

When the TV news shows the boats, its not rows of white people they show, its always brown people, so of course if you look like that you feel targeted.

Case in point , two white men painting english flags on the side of buildings shouted racist abuse at a brown woman walking past, she could have been born in this country, her parents could have even been born here, but they just saw brown skin, a foreigner.

Personally I'm out if Reform get in,

That's awful.

I'm sorry you have experienced that abuse.
Those people behave like that because they are indeed racists.

People like that do not represent white people of the UK . They represent: racism.

Please be assured that people like me have concerns with mass illegal immigration. Colour of skin plays no part. (We have a big problem with alcoholism/homelessness/drug addiction and dealing ) From low skill and unemployed Eastern European migrants. The concern is not limited to skin colour. The frustration is the inability to talk openly about it and express this without being shut down.

Unfortunately the liberal left will often try to shut people like me down by calling "racist".

Please be assured that people like yourselves are not targeted by people that are concerned about illegal mass immigration. You're targeted by : racists. Pure and simple.

I'm sorry your Britishness was clearly not recognised by virtue of your skin colour. That's racists for you.

Most of us with concerns on here, want nor desire any part in racism.

I hope you report any future incidents to the police. (I know thats a difficult thing to do sometimes)

That's racism and should be reported to the police.

Reform (as far as I'm aware ) don't plan on legalising racism.

(Not to be confused with wanting to curb mass immigration)

I think they know it's racism.

Maybe they do ? But it seems by this thread that racism is assumed to be supported and condoned by the right/centre.

Plus a lot of confusion with racism equalling= being concerned about mass immigration. Thats not racism. Examples such as those given are racist. They have absolutely nothing to do with immigration concerns. The two are not linked.

This thread is clearly for those of us that are poc. To discuss how we feel. why are you here on this thread?

I know I feel uneasy in this current climate.

It was very clesrly mentioned. But overrun by people desperate to tell us why they are voting Reform.

It's a public board. It's a public website. This is the internet. Unless I'm mistaken and this is blackmumsnetters?

Yes, get back to the parts of the website meant for you.🙄

But your post is conflicting. Of course immigration is partially contributing towards why our services are stretched. There aren’t enough homes because we obviously didn’t anticipate that we’d be welcoming so many extra people into the UK. It’s kind of irrelevant, because here we are, not enough houses and inadequate NHS provision to service the population. It’s madness to just continue to increase the population in this way whilst our infrastructure is under so much pressure. GP surgeries are not fit for purpose, due in part to more demand, which then impacts A&E services because people can’t get appointments with their GPs. Immigration affects us all. Apart from I guess those who can afford private healthcare and own their own home.

But if the poster wants opinions solely from none white people, surely they would have posted on the Black Mumsnetter site? That’s a ‘safe’ site for those wanting to exclude input from White mumsnetters, so I would expect it to have been posted there. If the poster posts on here, they can’t exclude others from commenting. That’s not how it works, and I can imagine the uproar had someone posted and asked that POC don’t comment on a post. It’s goady at best…..

I am British born, of southern European extraction, so do not look white British.
This is my home, however, for the sake of my mixed race son, I would like to leave when/if Farage becomes PM.
Currently, he is not exposed to racism as we live in an ethnically diverse area of London.

Growing up, I ‘blended in well’ so I was told , so oftentimes I heard many a white Brit say that brown people should go back to serving us Brits as they did in the old days ( of colonialism)!

Yeah I did say that it exacerbates the issue, as in partially contributes to it, but it isn’t the root cause.

The root cause is underfunding and service neglect.

It says " If you are not white?". Are you really arguing that the experiences of white people are the same as non- whites? Unbelievable.

It's like a poster saying " If you have given birth, have you experienced this? " and dozens of child free people rushing to give their opinions.

Oh, and I won't be herded off to the " Brown MN' sub board, not least because it's completely deserted. How is it goady to start a thread- tho OP has been v quiet- asking for people with experience to comment?
Is it goady to post " I have had a hysterectomy. Can people who have experienced this comment?". or should posters expect people who have not had one to chime in with their views?

Are you able to give an answer based on the question asked?
No.
But feel the need to have your say anyway.
As is your ‘right’ on MN.
Like men mansplaining
Like child-free people opining about how to manage children

etc.

Not at all. But I am saying there’s another side to the coin, and white posters on here are contributing to counteract the implication that all people concerned about immigration are racist. They’re not. So it should be relevant for us to comment. None White people of course have very valid concerns, but it’s also important for reassurance to be given that the current unrest is regarding the current state of our immigration policy, and in no way is that being directed at none White people already living here, other than from a minority of Tommy Robinson supporters taking advantage of the situation.

I think you’ll find that most posts digress, and comments linked to the subject are made…

Nobody is being herded onto any other site at all. But you can’t start excluding other posters just because you want to. There’s tons of subjects on MN discussed whereby someone posting doesn’t necessarily have experience, but chips in with helpful or relevant comments. I feel on this post, other posters do have other comments that may be relevant or helpful to the poster.

It's the decline in proper reporting.

Journalists have always had a disproportionate presence on Twitter. They did when it was still "woke". They still use it now Elon Musk is in charge. At no time was Twitter a reliable measure of public opinion - comparatively few people used it, you can't tell who's a bot/in another country, the algorithms push some things at you.

But, it's easier to write an article about something you see on twitter than do proper investigative reporting/get the bus to these places. Especially when they aren't in London/Manchester. So Twitter sets the agenda for public discussion in the UK. Which means Musk does.

The people repairing roads are the ones getting filmed and shouted at by the flag shaggers though.

I don't think long posts detailing why posters want to vote Reform are relevant or helpful to the OP's post. Plus posts saying " I have never met a racist Reform voter". Well, you wouldn't, would you, if you are white?

To be fair, I don't also see why long religious texts need to be dragged in.

Of topic but I hate the way the AI summaries Google puts at the top of searches are getting quoted as "fact" now. It would actually be better to quote Wikipedia FGS. Like, in the terminator films Skynet had to attain consciousness AND fight a blood war to seize control.

Those aren’t my posts. Mine are attempting to reassure OP that the majority of people against uncontrolled immigration are not anti POC. They are concerned about the current immigration policy affecting our crumbling infrastructure. I think it’s important we all work together, whatever the colour of our skin, to alleviate the huge pressure our public services are under. If we can get Starmer to act towards resolving the concerns of the people here by sorting it out, then it benefits us all. The alternative is not doing anything, the total collapse of our services and Reform getting in at the next GE. We shouldn’t be fighting against each other, but fighting together.