If you live in England and are not white are you considering leaving the country?

[GreyingSunshine]

I'm really starting to worry about our future here now that anti immigration / nationalistic feelings are running so high. Our town is full of flags, reform is on the rise (and is pushing everyone, including the other parties further and further to the right) and every day there is news of some sort of anti immigration / anti asylum seekers / stop the boats protest. Dh has said for the first time ever that he doesn't feel safe anymore when out and about. I worry about the kids' future. They were born here and consider themselves British but what if a large proportion of the population doesn't? I feel it's just going to get worse.

I don't really want to leave. I have lived here for more than 20 years. I feel at home here. My kids are at home here. We have a massive mortgage and I don't really fancy starting all over again now that I'm in my mid forties. Also, not sure where we could go as the whole world seems to be becoming more right wing and intolerant and more importantly we obviously both would need to find new jobs first.

Is anyone else worried? Is anyone else considering emigrating? At what point would you say that we (as in anyone visibly not ethnic English or Anglo saxons or whatever, ie not white) need to get out?

I suppose we shall have to see if Reform turn out to be proud harbingers of national identity or a bunch of millionaire tax dodgers, domestic abusers and anti- abortionists who will drive the economy into the ground. Brexshit all over again.

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Apologies if you didn’t say that. I have heard several times on various platforms people refute that Reform are far right or even right wing. I find this astonishing

No, it's just revisionism to cover up the fact Mohammed was a paedophile. The Hadiths are very clear about Aisha's age

It's racism pure and simple. The flags didn't come out when white Ukrainian were welcomed into the country. No one was screaming about British values then. The flags didn't come out when benefits for the elderly were attacked, pension ages were raised, the NHS continued to be underfunded.

Its so hypocritical.The British empire covered a quarter of the Earth's landmass. It governed 457 million people. Thats a 1/5 of the world population and imposed its British values. Whilst also taking those countries resources. Now you're scared of people coming to your country and eroding your values. What exactly are those values anyway?

Someone better tell the Holocaust memorial website.

The National Socialist German Workers’ Party—also known as the Nazi Party—was the far-right racist and antisemitic political party led by Adolf Hitler

Far right. As in right wing.

This!

You said they were "fairly right wing ". Far-right is something very different. As you well know.

Can't see a lot of far right folks on this thread though ...

Lots of far left..

Oh, the comments on rape gangs also boils my piss. There are good and bad people everywhere. I don't think perversion or criminality is about where you come from.

My friend was murdered. A young black man stabbed in the heart by his girlfriend daughter. He was a good guy. He worked with the elderly. Would never do nothing to anyone. The comments under the news articles were that he must have been grooming her, he must of been violating her, she must have been his drug mule. He was my friend. He was someone's son. They dragged hims name through the mud because of the colour of his skin.

The Hadiths you quote are unreliable. Sahih al-Bukhari also mentions Aisha was a field nurse. If you follow that Aisha was 6 at the age of marriage, that would make her 7-8 years old during the battle referred to, however, nobody under the age of 15 was allowed anywhere near a battlefield. The trouble is, when people start to critique and question, then entire belief structures start to crumble - what else is inaccurate? - so on it goes and facts and history continue to be warped.

This really, really isn't the "gotcha" you seem to think it is.

Do tell, what does, "far left" look like?

Sarcasm was lost on you then? The fairly was sarcastic.

I don't think it's inevitable but funny things can happen and a week is a long time in politics as they say.

After Boris Johnson won an 80 odd seat majority, the Tories became the first government ever to fail to win the next election with at least that size majority.

You're right, what else is inaccurate in the Hadiths and the Quran? If that's unreliable, it calls everything into question

Quite. And The trouble is, when people start to critique and question, then entire belief structures start to crumble - what else is inaccurate? - so on it goes and facts and history continue to be warped expresses my feelings about religion pretty well, although I assume not in the way the PP meant!

Telling an OP to divorce her husband and restrict access to his kids because he liked Donald Trump.

Calling people racists and bigots because they won't welcome in with open arms all illegal immigrants.

I could go on. I really could.

Personally, I am a Muslim and I believe that the Qur'an is the divine, true word of God. I believe that it was revealed to Prophet Muhammad as the Final Testament through the Angel Jibrael and that it is authentic and free of error to this day.

However, all Hadith are infalliable and should be critiqued - they are not the word of God. Some are downright ridiculous and go against all historical evidence!

They are individuals though why feverishly take offence, you are making sweeping generalisations like the people you are dismissing as being wrong to do so.

I disagree.

A view such as "leave your DH and take your kids away from him" and "racist thick gammon pig shit " for having concerns about illegal immigration (and many supporters of such comments vocalising it) is not a "centre" view is it ? It's not a "right wing" view is it ? It's not a "left wing" response is it ?

It's extreme. An "extreme left wing" opinion.

An extreme right wing view would be to call all black and brown people racist names and say they're all wanted out, with no exceptions to their rule. (That would be the equivalent of the above extreme left that Is freely put down in writing on here )

Only, I'm not seeing any of that extreme right rhetoric on here (or even close ).....

Your examples aren’t political or economic positions on the left-right spectrum. “Far left” is hard socialism, communism, ownership of the means of production by the people, dictatorship of the proletariat.

Not thinking that anyone who likes Trump is an intolerable oaf.

The vehement hatred for right wing ideology is in fact a left wing stance .

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The flags didn't come out when white Ukrainian were welcomed into the country

To be fair, the Ukrainians were given shorter time-limited visas, their stay was presented as temporary, they had to have passports proving their identity before we let them in, and the majority (people were told) were women and children.

Me too. DH and I have already had serious discussions about this, he’s been offered work in a few different countries and it sounds more and more appealing every day (I am a white woman born in England).

Of course it is. Just as the vehement dislike for left wing ideology is a right wing stance. That’s what having opposing ideologies means.

But I maintain that the two examples you gave are not indicative of “far left” thinking. There are many on the right who also despise Trump and your “welcoming illegal immigrants with open arms” example is simply a straw man as I don’t see anyone on the left in the UK doing this.