If you live in England and are not white are you considering leaving the country?

[GreyingSunshine]

I'm really starting to worry about our future here now that anti immigration / nationalistic feelings are running so high. Our town is full of flags, reform is on the rise (and is pushing everyone, including the other parties further and further to the right) and every day there is news of some sort of anti immigration / anti asylum seekers / stop the boats protest. Dh has said for the first time ever that he doesn't feel safe anymore when out and about. I worry about the kids' future. They were born here and consider themselves British but what if a large proportion of the population doesn't? I feel it's just going to get worse.

I don't really want to leave. I have lived here for more than 20 years. I feel at home here. My kids are at home here. We have a massive mortgage and I don't really fancy starting all over again now that I'm in my mid forties. Also, not sure where we could go as the whole world seems to be becoming more right wing and intolerant and more importantly we obviously both would need to find new jobs first.

Is anyone else worried? Is anyone else considering emigrating? At what point would you say that we (as in anyone visibly not ethnic English or Anglo saxons or whatever, ie not white) need to get out?

But can’t you see that the current problems we have might not have been caused by immigration, but immigration certainly exacerbates the problems? We have no homes to house them. They’ve come with no money, so will need to go straight into social housing once they get granted asylum. There are huge waiting lists, and people are having to live in cramped unsuitable accommodation already. At what point do we say, ‘sorry, no room here’ or do we just continue to bring them in regardless of whether our infrastructure can accommodate them?

I understood that the abortion cut-off date in Ireland was only 12 weeks in a healthy pregnancy? Farage was suggesting reducing the date in England from 24 weeks to 22 weeks. I'm not planning to vote Reform but I might agree with this policy after further discussion.

The housing issue is definitely related to immigration and some of them do get priority on waiting lists at the expense of the people already here and waiting patiently

also the dodgy money laundering shops tend to be run by them as well

We'll agree to disagree.

The housing issue is because we don’t have enough affordable housing, because it hasn’t been built.

There are many problems this country has that are caused by a series of politicians letting us down.

They’re exacerbated by the immigration, in that more people are trying to access stretched services, but the reason they’re stretched isn’t immigration.

Thank you. What a despicable, classist post. Awful.

They're not 'emigrating' you know 🙄

They're "fleeing persecution"...

If I was being ran after my a man with a knife and I feared my life. I'd run in the first fucking house with the lights on ! Never mind whether they spoke my language or knew a friend of a friend residing there !

WAKE UP!

Awful isn't it. The naiveté and if ignorance is staggering.

I'm working class. Paid off mortgage aged 35. Degree entry profession. Almost finished a masters. But....guess I'm still thick hey....

I’m working class. But apparently my MEd, reasonable income and “privilege” (😂) make me a liberal elite leftie.

I’ve spent the last however long being informed I can’t possibly be working class, because I don’t own a flag or join the “immigration cause,” which is apparently the hallmark of the working class.

Oh also I live in an area with high levels of deprivation. With my MSc (almost 😁) and no debt to my name and a paid off mortgage. How dare working class people like me get above their station . Thing is, ignorant bigots like that over privileged madam , honestly think working class people are not professionals, not degree holders, not skilled or intelligent. Only middle class people can be those things...... Apparently.

And a high percentage do stay in the first few countries.
they don’t all come here.

The countries with the highest numbers of asylum seekers asked for financial aid to cope. This should’ve been offered as they’re accommodating the lions share.

Well, you've been listening to the wrong people on this thread then haven't you !

Yep. Similar back story to mine. I loathe the hypocrisy and constant displays of classism, wrapped up in increasingly vulgar hate speech. And it is always coming from only one direction...

No. Obviously they don't all come here. I expect many genuine refugees do seek refuge in the first safe country. But, nobody bar nobody crosses a channel in a dinghy under the name of fleeing persecution. How on earth many options were there before that looked like a safe idea ? Many.

It's economic migration.
In which case , apply legally.

A (white) Aussie friend living here in the UK for decades was telling me how racist Australia has become since he left. That's just one anecdote though...

To be fair, a number of European countries, including Denmark, the Netherlands and Germany have housed asylum seekers and refugees in tents or tent cities, including during periods of snow and cold weather conditions.

Are you a poc? Are you worried about the increase in racism and are you intending to leave the uk?

If i were pet free and child free I would be gone but my ex would never give permission for the kids to leave the country and ive got 6 years to go before ds2 turns 18

I'm stuck

People respect them though, as those countries have a no nonsense approach and clearly and calmly state their case. Their natives and busy apologising for existing first and foremost.

The people doing almost all of the jobs you are listing here near me are immigrants. I very much respect the jobs that they are doing.
I am not sure if that is the point you are making, I hope it is.

God how utterly disgusting that some brainless morons have made you feel like this OP.

Meant to read : their natives aren't busy apologising for existing

Maybe because even though I was born here the colour of my skin means I’m suddenly getting abuse in the street. Looking Pakistani for example, even when you’re not has become an issue. I have Punjabi Sikh friends being called racist names suggestive they are Pakistani Muslims. And things are even worse for the Pakistani communities being treated as if they are all affiliated with the tiny, tiny minority who have been involved in grooming gangs.
Unfortunately racists don’t stop to check if a person was born here or came illegally, the hatred is being directed at all of us regardless.

"poc" you mean black or brown ? No I'm not. Am I worried about the increase in racism ? I think there is debate to be had whether there is an increase in racism. Or is there far more to it than that? I'd argue a lot of the current angst is not rooted in racism. Do I think it's a concern that a small number of people are using rte excuse to target anyone that doesn't look like a white Brit? Yes I do think that's a big problem and is wholly unacceptable. I don't believe though , that small number of people represent "Britain become more racist" I think it's scare mongering and hyperbole.

Am I planning to leave the UK ? No. Because on balance, it's a pretty fair and decent place to live for all (at this time of writing)

I don’t agree

also why do we have to keep building on our green fields which is compromising environmental issues and food security.

less immigrants would mean more housing. It never used to be a problem and families could afford housing