Why are governments putting women and girls at higher risk of sex crimes?

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Fact: Hundreds of thousands of men are entering Europe (as in the continent), from countries where women and girls are second class citizens.
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Fact: The sex crime rate statistics associated with different nationalities living in the UK have been published. An example is provided below.
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….the [sex crime] rates, based on convictions per 10,000 of the population put Afghans, with 77 convictions, at the top with a rate of 59 per 10,000 – 22.3 times that of Britons.
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They were followed by Eritreans, who accounted for 59 convictions at a rate of 53.6 per 10,000 of their population.
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Britons accounted for 12,619 sex offence convictions, representing a rate of 2.66 per per 10,000 of their population in England and Wales.
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https://archive.md/6AXAy Archive version
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Fact: This example data blows up any erroneous claims from people suggesting that British men commit more sex crimes when numbers in the population are accounted for / are more likely to commit a sex crime.
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There’s above is factual data. It is not racist to provide it. To claim this, is quite simply, wrong. Perhaps it’s projection, the mind boggles.

To want ‘no debate’ and bleet on with incorrectly placed accusations of racism, is to shut down people’s valid concerns.

Tin hat on for the people who want no debate on this issue, and instead of protecting women and girls, insist on protecting men from countries where women and girls are treated as second class citizens.

More data has been promised.
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To use a famous quote, there are lies, damned lies and statistics. You can skew anything to fit an agenda.

Your figures seem to suggest that in which ever period you're quoting, there were 77 Afghan convictions, 59 Eritrean convictions and 12619 British convictions.

From your figures, there were over 12000 more British male convictions than either Afghan or Eritrean. Who is responsible for more? British males at 12000+ or any other nationality you mention.

Latest figures show that out of over 10 million foreign nationals, 377 are convicted of sexual offences each year.

377 too many of course, but that is a vanishingly low percentage of the foreign national population.

6 out of 7 sexual offences, including rapes, are committed by British people.

Context and presentation are key.

I think that all cultures have women as second class citizens some are improving on this over time but even that is precarious as history has shown but there is not a country in the world that does not have an issue with male vawg.

I agree that having hundreds of underemployed, hopeless because the level of support for refugees is very poor, men at the peak of their fitness and strength coming to countries across Europe is absolutely a problem that will inevitably harm European society particularly women and children as the grooming gangs did.

It is impossible for human beings to deal with long into the future issues. We simply are not built for it. It was difficult enough getting people to face up to imminent harm in Covid so refugees coming to the country in their thousands will not be solvable.

The frenzy being whipped up against asylum seekers is getting ridiculous.

Tin hat on for the people who want no debate on this issue, and instead of protecting women and girls, insist on protecting men from countries where women and girls are treated as second class citizens.

There's been nothing but fucking debate on this claptrap. Don't even pretend that you want a "debate" - there is absolutely nothing valid, factual or balanced, and you don't want to hear any view that isn't your own. Weren't the multiple threads on this subject that you have already posted your views on enough, or did you really need your very own thread on the subject?

Anything can be proven with plays on statistics. The only real fact is that some men are a risk to women and children, and most of the ones who are a risk to them in this country are British.

Just because statistics can be manipulated it doesn’t mean you just ignore them. If it’s true that rates are higher (and I haven’t checked) that’s a problem. It’s important to use a rate because obviously if you want to know the likelihood of an individual from a specific culture being a risk, you need to understand the number of attacks vs size of population. The fact that numerically hugely more attacks are by British men doesn’t change the fact that (if the figures are true) if you let an Afghan man into the country, he is more likely to commit a sex attack than a British-born man. This is surely highly relevant information.

As for why governments are allowing it, honestly OP I think they are really hamstrung by geopolitics, legal obstacles, party politics, etc

Is this the data that has been debunked as being completely fabricated?

This is just racist disinformation designed to scare us and make us hate foreigners. Nice try OP.

What’s wrong with the data?

The grooming gangs that were free to do what they did because British Police officers were turning a blind eye and some were also sexually abusing those girls as well?

Starting every sentence with the word "Fact" proves nothing and, as previous posters have said, you can prove anything by selectively picking your statistics.

Having said that, to answer your question: "Why are governments putting women and girls at higher risk of sex crimes?"

They are not. You are simply trying to start an argument and/or create a panic with no hard evidence whatsoever.

[I'll lay ready money you're a Reform supporter.]

Oh goody. A thread where we can talk about dangerous foreigners. And there I was, wondering why there weren't any threads on this subject already.

You'll be pleased to know there is a part 2 of another migrant bashing thread also running, Mrs B. As if part one wasn't stomach churning enough.

It's just sickening. I'm very sad to see what this place has become.

Fact
These stats quoted by the liar farage are crap
news.sky.com/story/fact-checking-farage-are-foreigners-more-likely-than-britons-to-commit-sexual-offences-13407029
End of discussion until you can behave properly

Me too.

Thank you for posting this.

The class of people I am wary of because of the risk they present to me is the male sex class. The whole lot of them, as a sex class.

When we abandon class analysis our resulting social policies are muddled and tilted toward arbitrary political privileges to select groups and away from fundamental rights for all.

Lest we forget: Farage and Widdecombe would allow magical men into women’s prisons. Absolutely disgraceful.

@Serpentstooth @No3392

Obviously not. It is data obtained from the Ministry of Justice under the Freedom of Information (FOI) Act.

So as I said, it is factual information. I know it’s difficult to believe it when you don’t want to.

There’s lots of information from the FOI request provided, if you look at the link.

‘This never before seen data, released by the Centre for Migration Control, shows that between 2021 and 2023 there were over 100,000 foreign nationals convicted for a serious crime in England and Wales, and nearly 70 nationalities with a criminality rate that is higher than the British public.

Few people and even fewer politicians feel comfortable enough to identify the causal link between open borders and sexual assault, (or the drug epidemic, or the ubiquity of theft.)

For each of these offences, the rate of conviction for foreign nationals is far, far higher than that of the British people.

Essentially, many Western feminists will prioritise men of an ethnic minority over the women of their own country. The reasons are complex, but it’s happening.

Please everyone read about this campaign. Some real statistics which are useful too.

www.endviolenceagainstwomen.org.uk/100-womens-rights-groups-warn-against-racist-weaponisation-of-vawg/

Nothing. It’s obtained from the MoJ via the FOI Act.

People don’t like the data. Cognitive dissonance etc.

I agree with you? Why was that happening?

Because women and children are second class citizens even here?

Grooming gangs have complex roots, culturally thinking lesser of white girls, vulnerable girls looking for connection, second class citizens being subjected to second class policing, VAWG even among British men and officers.

The common denominator is always abusive men and they are a world wide issue but men with little or no hope of a future are going to be more likely to be abusive men towards women and children. People always punch downwards literally and metaphorically.

Do you think putting male offenders in women’s prisons is a bad idea, OP?